Iranian Nuclear Doctrine

[OakTree23]

hindering nuclear program in name of fatwas, destroying IRIAF and what not.

Dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while. Old stupid fools playing hyenas While the enemy is a lion.

 

[ToddE]

I think the opposite

Many Arab and none Arab countries got destroyed [from Afghanistan to Libya] but Iran is still standing

Not sure what your definition of destroyed is but here is what has happened to Iran:

Currency ruined (Shahi Rial = 142 USDs lol, do you know the current exchange)
Economy is halved (Iran was poised to have a 4 Trillion USD GDP in 2010s)
Society ruined/Brain Drain (54 % STEM grads of Iran leave)
Government massacres its own citizens (~500 died in last crackdown)
No one does business with Iran
Military is non nuclear, non ICBM bearing, IRIAF is shit, country relies upon missile forces and IADS like a 3rd world military.

If this is what "standing" means than you need help. Only reason Iran has not been attacked by US/NATO is because them not deciding to do so. If they do, nothing can stop them. Even if IRGC lobs few K-4 or Sejjils at Diego Garcia, it wont stop them.

Had Iran been nuclear armed to teeth with ICBMS today with international giants tied to its worlds second largest Hydrocarbon sector, things would be different. Enemy would think 10 times attacking an armed to teeth Energy Giant which can easily hurt them/allies back but it being tangled in war would have meant international Jews losing money like pee which they hate. But Khamenei is Fateh Ali Shah Qajar re-born, he does not care as long as his Hojatti shits are sitting in Majles spreading lies of "Strength" to public.

 

[mack8]

I have to say, the iranian leadership are f**ing idiots for not having nukes already. I fear for Iran considering the continuing threats from the demented americans and israelis. Despite what some so called pro-iranians sheepishly claim, there is no way for Iran to defend against an attack with conventional means, the boasting about iranian ballistic missiles doing anything but overall very limited damage is laughable.

The combined explosive weight of all the iranian missile arsenal is not even enough to equal a single low yield atomic bomb. And blocking Hormuz, please, you really think that is a deterrent against an american-israeli attack? They wouldn't give a f*** about the minimal, in the grand scheme of things, disruption that would cause.

 

[ToddE]

I have to say, the iranian leadership are f**ing idiots for not having nukes already. I fear for Iran considering the continuing threats from the demented americans and israelis. Despite what some so called pro-iranians sheepishly claim, there is no way for Iran to defend against an attack with conventional means, the boasting about iranian ballistic missiles doing anything but overall very limited damage is laughable.

The combined explosive weight of all the iranian missile arsenal is not even enough to equal a single low yield atomic bomb. And blocking Hormuz, please, you really think that is a deterrent against an american-israeli attack? They wouldn't give a f*** about the minimal, in the grand scheme of things, disruption that would cause.

Most of these online Pro-Mullah trolls will run away the moment you ask them what if IRGC sinks 1-2 USN ships or bombs their bases? they think the sole military superpower of the world will sit idle and take it if its soldiers die in water or on bases and not bomb the shit out of every IRGC or Artesh base inside Iran. Not even Russians can conventionally stop such an attack by US.

Khamenei and his Majles gang has done four worst crimes against Iran.

1) Allowed sanctions that took 50% chunk of Iranian GDP.
2) Went against Nuclear arming
3) Limited Missile ranges despite the fact that 3-staged solid fueled SLVs were scoring SATs in LEO at high apogee
4) Ruined IRIAF by budget cuts.

 

[KHORSHIDSIYAH1488]

Not sure what your definition of destroyed is but here is what has happened to Iran:

Currency ruined (Shahi Rial = 142 USDs lol, do you know the current exchange)
Economy is halved (Iran was poised to have a 4 Trillion USD GDP in 2010s)
Society ruined/Brain Drain (54 % STEM grads of Iran leave)
Government massacres its own citizens (~500 died in last crackdown)
No one does business with Iran
Military is non nuclear, non ICBM bearing, IRIAF is shit, country relies upon missile forces and IADS like a 3rd world military.

If this is what "standing" means than you need help. Only reason Iran has not been attacked by US/NATO is because them not deciding to do so. If they do, nothing can stop them. Even if IRGC lobs few K-4 or Sejjils at Diego Garcia, it wont stop them.

Had Iran been nuclear armed to teeth with ICBMS today with international giants tied to its worlds second largest Hydrocarbon sector, things would be different. Enemy would think 10 times attacking an armed to teeth Energy Giant which can easily hurt them/allies back but it being tangled in war would have meant international Jews losing money like pee which they hate. But Khamenei is Fateh Ali Shah Qajar re-born, he does not care as long as his Hojatti shits are sitting in Majles spreading lies of "Strength" to public.

This is so true, if the Islamic Republic cared about Iranians they would have weapnized and had ICBMs with global reach ten years ago when they still had Soleimani.

The government is losing legitimacy by the day, the final straw is not protecting the lives of its people.

It's digusting and I think they were put in place with the idea of weakening the country for balkanization. Society in Iran has become terrible, everyone is hoghe-baz and trying whatever unethical things to survive from day to day. This erodes trust, which is the basis of any society. Why would any Iranian want to stay there, especially ethnic minorities?

This is by the way one of the many reasons I think the IR is not legitimate, and the only thing that can save Iran right now is national socialism but suited for Iran and its culture, existences, and society. We need a government that cares about our folk, that serves our folk, and only the existence of our folk.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Not sure what your definition of destroyed is but here is what has happened to Iran:

Currency ruined (Shahi Rial = 142 USDs lol, do you know the current exchange)
Economy is halved (Iran was poised to have a 4 Trillion USD GDP in 2010s)
Society ruined/Brain Drain (54 % STEM grads of Iran leave)
Government massacres its own citizens (~500 died in last crackdown)
No one does business with Iran
Military is non nuclear, non ICBM bearing, IRIAF is shit, country relies upon missile forces and IADS like a 3rd world military.

If this is what "standing" means than you need help. Only reason Iran has not been attacked by US/NATO is because them not deciding to do so. If they do, nothing can stop them. Even if IRGC lobs few K-4 or Sejjils at Diego Garcia, it wont stop them.

Had Iran been nuclear armed to teeth with ICBMS today with international giants tied to its worlds second largest Hydrocarbon sector, things would be different. Enemy would think 10 times attacking an armed to teeth Energy Giant which can easily hurt them/allies back but it being tangled in war would have meant international Jews losing money like pee which they hate. But Khamenei is Fateh Ali Shah Qajar re-born, he does not care as long as his Hojatti shits are sitting in Majles spreading lies of "Strength" to public.

Mind your language

I am not a pro Mullah like what you azari blabber

I'm a patriot Iranian who is active on military forums for 15 years and some of families and friends served in army

 

[ToddE]

This is so true, if the Islamic Republic cared about Iranians they would have weapnized and had ICBMs with global reach ten years ago when they still had Soleimani.

The government is losing legitimacy by the day, the final straw is not protecting the lives of its people.

It's digusting and I think they were put in place with the idea of weakening the country for balkanization. Society in Iran has become terrible, everyone is hoghe-baz and trying whatever unethical things to survive from day to day. This erodes trust, which is the basis of any society. Why would any Iranian want to stay there, especially ethnic minorities?

This is by the way one of the many reasons I think the IR is not legitimate, and the only thing that can save Iran right now is national socialism but suited for Iran and its culture, existences, and society. We need a government that cares about our folk, that serves our folk, and only the existence of our folk.

They dont care, they are illiterate opportunists who had western backing to hijack a stupid ass Marxist revolution backed by USSR. People forget Imperial Iran with its world 15th largest economy, 4th largest AF and military was staunchly anti Russian much before any NATO, EU, Israel came into being. USSR tried taking chunks out of Iran creating little SSRs out of Iran but was kicked out.

Why would west or Russia or anyone want a France or Japan 2.0 ? This is the potential of Iranian nation without Mullah Shits ruining the country. By ruining economy, isolating, not going nuclear, not building ICBMs which Iran do in days or weeks, not powering the Aerial forces Mullahs are doing what every two bit enemy of could not do in centuries.

Nobody takes this government seriously any more. This is Chaharshanbeh Suri in Tehran ....

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[ToddE]

Mind your language

I am not a pro Mullah like what you azari blabber

I'm a patriot Iranian who is active on military forums for 15 years and some of families and friends served in army

I should mind my language for talking about nuclear weapons, ICBMs and economy?

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

I should mind my language for talking about nuclear weapons, ICBMs and economy?

You called me pro mullah internet troll

 

[ToddE]

You called me pro mullah internet troll

Where exactly? I think you misread my post to another user as addressed to you by mistake.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Most of these online Pro-Mullah trolls will run away the moment you ask them what if IRGC sinks 1-2 USN ships or bombs their bases? they think the sole military superpower of the world will sit idle and take it if its soldiers die in water or on bases and not bomb the shit out of every IRGC or Artesh base inside Iran. Not even Russians can conventionally stop such an attack by US.

Khamenei and his Majles gang has done four worst crimes against Iran.

1) Allowed sanctions that took 50% chunk of Iranian GDP.
2) Went against Nuclear arming
3) Limited Missile ranges despite the fact that 3-staged solid fueled SLVs were scoring SATs in LEO at high apogee
4) Ruined IRIAF by budget cuts.

lots of valid points but I think this is slightly harsh in some respects

IRI was developing nuclear weapons until 2003 when MEK terrorists revealed Natanz to the world (in 2002) and Iran was then under UNSC sanctions for failure to declare those activities

back then Iran didn't have modern air defences or MRBMs so there was not much it could do

and now we have those we are constricted by 24/7 IAEA monitoring of entire nuclear supply chain. so they tried to adapt to this by building a latent capability - including the use of offensive missiles to build enough time to quickly assemble a few nuclear weapons at Fordow

the original sin was signing NPT, second was infiltration by MEK

 

[ToddE]

lots of valid points but I think this is slightly harsh in some respects

IRI was developing nuclear weapons until 2003 when MEK terrorists revealed Natanz to the world (in 2002) and Iran was then under UNSC sanctions for failure to declare those activities

back then Iran didn't have modern air defences or MRBMs so there was not much it could do

and now we have those we are constricted by 24/7 IAEA monitoring of entire nuclear supply chain. so they tried to adapt to this by building a latent capability - including the use of offensive missiles to build enough time to quickly assemble a few nuclear weapons at Fordow

the original sin was signing NPT, second was infiltration by MEK

I agree but these are 2nd tier concerns. Did IRI ever had the will to arm up its forces with nuclear weapons? If no then they should be booked for treason but if yes then why the fatwas, the secrecy, the talks, nuclear bargaining chip, the NPT ? 8 other countries have them, some have been pariah states, few are economically broken/debt run too. IRI was neither so leadership dragged itself into such a political pothole where its national security got onto the table of dialogues with its superpower enemies as a bargaining chip? Today we are talking after 25 years since Amad Project was in action and quarter a century later Khamenei still wants to gain a bargaining chip of 300 KG of 60% enrichment and if that fails he will blame reformists. Thats his master plan. IRI could have been a nuclear armed country in 1990s if will was there. There just was not just like still today there is zero will to build conventional deterence in air.

Seriously if today Iran announces some 10-12 tactical nuclear tests and launches few Qaem ICBMs into the Indian ocean nobody will touch Iran but these people are more interested in showing stunts like 10000 missiles in 20 underground bases.

 

[mack8]

lots of valid points but I think this is slightly harsh in some respects

IRI was developing nuclear weapons until 2003 when MEK terrorists revealed Natanz to the world (in 2002) and Iran was then under UNSC sanctions for failure to declare those activities

back then Iran didn't have modern air defences or MRBMs so there was not much it could do

and now we have those we are constricted by 24/7 IAEA monitoring of entire nuclear supply chain. so they tried to adapt to this by building a latent capability - including the use of offensive missiles to build enough time to quickly assemble a few nuclear weapons at Fordow

the original sin was signing NPT, second was infiltration by MEK

DPRK was in the same situation before they got their nukes and what did they do? They showed the finger to the americans and the west and built their nukes.

You don't hear now daily threats from the west against DPRK BECAUSE they have nukes, and because they know if they try anything stupid they'll get their capitals vaporized.

At the very latest, when IRI's attempts to normalize relation in 2003 or whenever it was were rudely rebuffed and branded in the so called axis of evil, it is then when they should have really pulled all the stops and get nukes, especially when the americans were distracted by their wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I agree but these are 2nd tier concerns. Did IRI ever had the will to arm up its forces with nuclear weapons? If no then they should be booked for treason but if yes then why the fatwas, the secrecy, the talks, nuclear bargaining chip, the NPT ?

up until 2003 arguably yes via the Amad Plan

but then it was exposed before it could be completed and the weight of the US and UNSC (with Russian and Chinese support, unfortunately) fell on IRI and they had to abandon it for fear of military action when the military was weak

the fatwa was a naive decision. it is difficult to reconcile Khamenei's (presumed) support for Project Amad with his apparently sincere opposition to WMD (including in the Imposed War). either way, they are naive in diplomacy that's for sure

Seriously if today Iran announces some 10-12 tactical nuclear tests and launches few Qaem ICBMs into the Indian ocean nobody will touch Iran but these people are more interested in showing stunts like 10000 missiles in 20 underground bases.

agreed except the nuclear supply chain is now so deeply and continuously (and voluntarily) infiltrated and monitored that this is not really a feasible option unless we withdraw from NPT and kick out the IAEA inspectors, which would surely trigger a war

 

[Persian Gulf]

DPRK was in the same situation before they got their nukes and what did they do? They showed the finger to the americans and the west and built their nukes.

You don't hear now daily threats from the west against DPRK BECAUSE they have nukes, and because they know if they try anything stupid they'll get their capitals vaporized.

At the very latest, when IRI's attempts to normalize relation in 2003 or whenever it was were rudely rebuffed and branded in the so called axis of evil, it is then when they should have really pulled all the stops and get nukes, especially when the americans were distracted by their wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

DPRK never had similar situation of MEK traitors with so much power

and you cannot compare DPRK society to Iranian society or government, they are totally different