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Honestly, the Qaher really did do a number on Iran's reputation.

They should have just said they're developing a drone from the beginning, and people would believe them because they actually have a lot of experience, as well as tech (reverse engineered from captured Israeli and US systems) to build a pseudo-fighter drone, even if it isn't as good as, say the Kizilelma, or the GhostBat.

There was/is a serious program to develop an engine.

What you have to realize is the people that “organize” these propaganda events are not the same people who have any say on the actual program. They are tenured corrupt politicians/geriatric ‘forever’ generals trying to score brownie points with Supreme Leader and show themselves as accomplished.

So Qaher was probably an early early mock up that someone in Ahmadinejad admin thought it would be good to score political points and show it off half a decade too soon.

But the reality is in last 12 years despite Iran’s greatest efforts there has been the no breakthru in engine tech in the RD-33 or AL-31 class. Sure they can probably reproduce a J-85 (owj) or similar class engine, but that’s not going to cut it to develop a heavy fighter (SU-35 class fighter) or even a medium (F-35 class) fighter.

And when Qaher was unveiled, Iran’s drone tech was still very primitive with it mostly compromised of Karrar and Iraq-era Ababil and Mohajer drones. So it was much too early to speculate Iran could convert it into a fighter jet drone when the wingman program didn’t even exist in U.S.

Iran wasn’t the drone power it was today in 2013. Its missile arsenal was still based on SCUD (Shahab-3). The RQ-170 while captured a few years prior wasn’t revealed yet in its domestic Shahed-171 form (would be revealed the following year in 2014).

So do I think there was an effort to build a serious attempt behind the scenes for a fighter jet? Yes, there is quite a number of indications (including espionage where Iranian engineer was caught trying to leave with F-35 engine blueprints).

Do I think that attempt was Qaher?

No, first you need a viable engine, THEN you build the plane. You don’t build a plane then decide what engine you can make that can fit inside it.

Qaher was likely one of many mock designs for once a suitable engine was ready. Someone leaked the mock design and then admin after admin had to “fake it till you make it” mantra to prevent an embarrassment.

The drone is absolutely stupid even in 100% form let alone 60% form. Its craftmanship is shoddy and will reflect radar beams. If after 12 years you can’t put together a decent project then it shows no one gives a damn about it besides politicians and corrupt generals. And those RC planes existed back in 2013 as well. Probably repainted and new body for the press photos.
 
The drone is absolutely stupid even in 100% form let alone 60% form. Its craftmanship is shoddy and will reflect radar beams.
How did you come to such a conclusion?

According to the words of unofficial Iranian military channels, an 80% or 100% version of the Qahir drone is also being built for the Air Force.
 
How did you come to such a conclusion?

According to the words of unofficial Iranian military channels, an 80% or 100% version of the Qahir drone is also being built for the Air Force.
It's not the drone that's stupid but Immortal himself. I was convinced that he was going to make schoolboy screams, I saw it coming from afar. Excellent development of their drone, bravo Iran again
 
The numbers on the Qaher drones indicate its size and manufacturing number:

First 25 % version of Qaher
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First 60 % version of Qaher
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Also, the third drone is a little different from the previous ones
 
Does anyone knew the combat range and combat specifications of Qaem drone !?
if its under 500 Km , and its payload is under 200 , then this small drone is completely useless !!
 
How did you come to such a conclusion?

According to the words of unofficial Iranian military channels, an 80% or 100% version of the Qahir drone is also being built for the Air Force.
Blame the IRI officials who are making us laugh stock with this kind of unveiling ...
 
The numbers on the Qaher drones indicate its size and manufacturing number:

First 25 % version of Qaher
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First 60 % version of Qaher
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Also, the third drone is a little different from the previous ones

We have 3 different test air frame of of JAS-313 , which mean even the air frame is not officially finalized !!! and the black color is just showing how poorly these are made ...
The unveiling is completely was unnecessary , they could simply unveiled the drone carrier and it was enough .


IRI should really consider if there is some kind of 5th column in their organization which is systematically is going to make fun of IRI military power ...
 
Does anyone knew the combat range and combat specifications of Qaem drone !?
if its under 500 Km , and its payload is under 200 , then this small drone is completely useless !!
There is no information about it. Other Iranian drones can carry many weapons :

Qaems or Mark 84 bombs

Shafaq and Almas air-to-ground missiles

Azarakhsh and Majid air-to-air missiles

Noor anti-ship missile

&...

These can be placed on these Qaher drones too.
 
i think the small drones are just scaled test beds for real unmanned f313. pilots need to test software and general take off and landing patterns. at the end of this campaign we will not see the little ones . there are a couple of small drones because they expect crashes during learning .
 
i think the small drones are just scaled test beds for real unmanned f313. pilots need to test software and general take off and landing patterns. at the end of this campaign we will not see the little ones . there are a couple of small drones because they expect crashes during learning .
They couldn't show Qaher family at all ...
Only showing successful take of and landing and some maneuver and lunching missile by it air or land target can redeem this platform name.
 
How did you come to such a conclusion?

According to the words of unofficial Iranian military channels, an 80% or 100% version of the Qahir drone is also being built for the Air Force.

Because what role does this drone solve that cannot be solved by RQ-170 derivative family? Karrar?

Where is the sensor package? The FLIR for 60% version? How big is the compartment bay? What have they been doing for 12 years?

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The “cockpit” is literally just bolted on haphazardly. Bolts sticking out on tail and body and cockpit, all that needs to be flush with the body and covered up or else they will refract radar waves and compromise RCS.

If the whole point of this is to be “stealth” (not sure it can be stealthier than a RQ-170 flying wing design) then basic craftsmanship needs to be improved.

In 12 years the body’s original design hasn’t been improved at all. they are still showing RC planes, not sure why they didn’t wait for when 60% was at least ready. Quite strange. Iran could have built this 10 years ago, it had the capability. It seems more like Iran wants to say it has a fighter jet drone like China, Turkey, USA, Russia, etc.

The utility is questionable, its role in Iran’s vast arsenal seems duplicative at best

If it disappears into the sunset one day we will know why.
 
To be fair, they Turkey are developing power new engines from scratch, and they're making quick progress.
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What i really wanna see is weapons testing on those Qaher drones. Its clearly a pseudo-fighter, so I'd love to see it shoot down air targets using AA missiles.
Isn’t it true though that they are getting TOT and other assistance to make them, basically west is holding their hand? We can’t compare a sanctioned country like Iran to a NATO partner
 
Because what role does this drone solve that cannot be solved by RQ-170 derivative family? Karrar?

Where is the sensor package? The FLIR for 60% version? How big is the compartment bay? What have they been doing for 12 years?

As for quality:

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The “cockpit” is literally just bolted on haphazardly. Bolts sticking out on tail and body and cockpit, all that needs to be flush with the body and covered up or else they will refract radar waves and compromise RCS.

If the whole point of this is to be “stealth” (not sure it can be stealthier than a RQ-170 flying wing design) then basic craftsmanship needs to be improved.

In 12 years the body’s original design hasn’t been improved at all. they are still showing RC planes, not sure why they didn’t wait for when 60% was at least ready. Quite strange. Iran could have built this 10 years ago, it had the capability. It seems more like Iran wants to say it has a fighter jet drone like China, Turkey, USA, Russia, etc.

The utility is questionable, its role in Iran’s vast arsenal seems duplicative at best

If it disappears into the sunset one day we will know why.

The 60% version of Qaher is exactly the size of the ship's elevator.

There is also the issue of the size of the runway required for the landing of the drone.

Perhaps Qaher also can carry weapons better than RQ-170
 

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