Iran's counter-terrorism and law enforcement

[Hack-Hook]

we need control of the borders

but the reality is that Iran's population is going to experience total stagnation for the next 50 years (from 90 million to 100 million, only +11% in 50 years)

we will need afghan labour. and we also need to find ways to improve the economy to increase the native birth rate as well

Why that is bad .
How much new job we produce in a tear that 11 % grows in 50 year is bad

 

[Tijani]

Afghan labor should only be allowed in a very small fractional amount. They should live in their own refugee settlements outside cities. No more than half a million for the whole country. Their uncontrolled breeding and terrible behavior has wreacked havoc on the Iranian urban fabric. Reports saying up to 10 million with their birth rates, they need to be deported

You need to relax. Your views are just racist! Breeding? Are they animals to you?

 

[Tijani]

I don't think ghettoisation of migrant populations is a good idea ...

those reports are usually spread by Iran International to incite violence inside Iran

the illegal or criminal ones should definitely be deported

If deportation of people lacking proper residency permits are part of the law code then so be it. I personally I do not believe it benefits Iran to deport Afghans families working hard and contributing to Iran. Especially those who have been living there for a considerable time. They should be offered ways to legalised their status. Afghans are not a historically foreign people, the majority, if not all, of them are Iranic people.

 

[Tijani]

Have you walked in Southern Tehran recently? All afghans.

Go to Qom, majority of babies born are afghan. Go in the periphery towns of major cities like Shahr Rey and Eslamshahr and see how many afghans are there.

Go to Chitgar in Tehran and its all afghans.

They have their cafes and restaurants in Tehran and other cities and they are packed.

Who allowed for the social fabric of Iran to change like this??? Where is the law and order?

You're angry with those who seem relatively well integrated, because that's what you're describing, and you're obviously angry with those who aren't. Your views are beset with emotional outbursts that make no rational sense.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Why that is bad .
How much new job we produce in a tear that 11 % grows in 50 year is bad

if Iran's GDP only grows 11% in 50 years then we have bigger problems than Afghans

it is bad because the demographics will become older and you need more young people to support these old people in the economy ...

 

[alireza]

You're angry with those who seem relatively well integrated, because that's what you're describing, and you're obviously angry with those who aren't. Your views are beset with emotional outbursts that make no rational sense.

They are not well integrated. Look at the crime they committ. So many arrests of Afghan migrants committing crimes like theft and rape. Their are news reports showing it. Their was even a report of Kabul's phone market is all stolen phones from Iran. Many Iranians from rural areas and smaller towns are finding it hard to find work in major cities because labor jobs have become occupied by Afghans. Their is a shortage of teachers in Iran yet the Iranian gov allows afghan children to go to school for free while Iran's schools suffer.
Tehran metro is packed with afghan migrants. Was the metro built for Iranians or afghans? Go and buy some naan and see how much naan the afghans take. They are milking Iran of everything they can and Iran is not in a position to be allotting resources to illegal migrants.

 

[Persian Gulf]

They are not well integrated. Look at the crime they committ. So many arrests of Afghan migrants committing crimes like theft and rape. Their are news reports showing it. Their was even a report of Kabul's phone market is all stolen phones from Iran. Many Iranians from rural areas and smaller towns are finding it hard to find work in major cities because labor jobs have become occupied by Afghans. Their is a shortage of teachers in Iran yet the Iranian gov allows afghan children to go to school for free while Iran's schools suffer.
Tehran metro is packed with afghan migrants. Was the metro built for Iranians or afghans? Go and buy some naan and see how much naan the afghans take. They are milking Iran of everything they can and Iran is not in a position to be allotting resources to illegal migrants.

while millions of Afghans are in Iran illegally and we need better control of the borders, these are mostly sensationalist stories spread by Iran International to incite division within Iran

the reality is that Afghanistan and Tajikistan should be part of Iran to begin with

the Tajiks of Afghanistan and Tajikistan are very close to us culturally (celebrate the same festivals), speak the same language, and several great Iranians were born/died in (historical) Khorasan.

 

[ShapurII]

I don't think ghettoisation of migrant populations is a good idea ...

those reports are usually spread by Iran International to incite violence inside Iran

the illegal or criminal ones should definitely be deported

I agree. Ghettoisation is a bad idea. The better idea is to deport all of them or kill them at spot while crossing the border.

 

[Tijani]

They are not well integrated. Look at the crime they committ. So many arrests of Afghan migrants committing crimes like theft and rape. Their are news reports showing it. Their was even a report of Kabul's phone market is all stolen phones from Iran. Many Iranians from rural areas and smaller towns are finding it hard to find work in major cities because labor jobs have become occupied by Afghans. Their is a shortage of teachers in Iran yet the Iranian gov allows afghan children to go to school for free while Iran's schools suffer.
Tehran metro is packed with afghan migrants. Was the metro built for Iranians or afghans? Go and buy some naan and see how much naan the afghans take. They are milking Iran of everything they can and Iran is not in a position to be allotting resources to illegal migrants.

They are not well integrated. Look at the crime they committ. So many arrests of Afghan migrants committing crimes like theft and rape. Their are news reports showing it. Their was even a report of Kabul's phone market is all stolen phones from Iran. Many Iranians from rural areas and smaller towns are finding it hard to find work in major cities because labor jobs have become occupied by Afghans. Their is a shortage of teachers in Iran yet the Iranian gov allows afghan children to go to school for free while Iran's schools suffer.
Tehran metro is packed with afghan migrants. Was the metro built for Iranians or afghans? Go and buy some naan and see how much naan the afghans take. They are milking Iran of everything they can and Iran is not in a position to be allotting resources to illegal migrants.

I stated "seem relatively well integrated," per your initial description of the situation. You're basing your argumentation on conflictory statements.
You're sounding like western racist who complaining about immigrants. Demographic pressure has put Iran in a situation where there's a shortage of labour. The Afghan migrants seem to filling that void. The accompanying issues related to this can hardly be blamed on the people looking for a better way of life and their children.
I could this with you point for point but it seems unnecessary because you are set in your dislike for the Afghan migrants.
You had me at nan bread and subway.

 

[Persian Gulf]

avoid personal attacks

 

[Persian Gulf]

seriously straight back at the insults? both of you need to take some time off and cool down

 

[Hack-Hook]

if Iran's GDP only grows 11% in 50 years then we have bigger problems than Afghans

it is bad because the demographics will become older and you need more young people to support these old people in the economy ...

Is GDP direct result of population ?
This say another story

GDP by Country (2026) - Worldometer

Countries in the world ranked by Gross Domestic Product (GDP). List and ranking of GDP growth, GDP per capita and country share of World's GDP

www.worldometers.info

Demographic become older is not bad , loosing population is bad , if you manage to replace the ones who retire then that is not bad

 

[Tijani]

Basically all your points are bad! Like in very bad! For Iran nothing good will come from a declining or aging population. It means declining living standards unless there's an extreme robotization of all industries to offset demographic issues. You can replace an again population without short term migration, which is mostly unpopular. Raising nativity levels takes a least a generation, if even possible.
Sheer population is one of the definition of power and has a direct correlation to the GDP size of a country. The more people the higher the economic activity, even if they're poorer per capita in comparison to wealthier countries.
Having an aging and declining population has security implications. The more older and fewer the population the greater the difficulties in case of military conflict.
There's no benefits at all in my opinion.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Basically all your points are bad! Like in very bad! For Iran nothing good will come from a declining or aging population. It means declining living standards unless there's an extreme robotization of all industries to offset demographic issues. You can replace an again population without short term migration, which is mostly unpopular. Raising nativity levels takes a least a generation, if even possible.
Sheer population is one of the definition of power and has a direct correlation to the GDP size of a country. The more people the higher the economic activity, even if they're poorer per capita in comparison to wealthier countries.
Having an aging and declining population has security implications. The more older and fewer the population the greater the difficulties in case of military conflict.
There's no benefits at all in my opinion.

wrong , first when you can't provide the food, water or job you have no business of increasing the population
when you retire the people between 45-50 then you have no business complaining about shortage of work force.
when you can't provide the level of education guaranteed in your constitution then you have no business saying the gdp will be reduce if the population reduce.

aging population is byproduct if increase in living standards and modern medicine not population not increase . what is necessary is who reach replacement threshold . population must sustainable , we don't produce enough basic necessities such as foods, water , food, electricity, education opportunities and new jobs to make our population twice in 10-15 years .
and no sheer population is not power look at how many time Arab countries get beaten by Israel , how our war with Iraq become an stalemate and .....
aging population is not security risk having a young population removing from the values that make you a nation is security risk and that happen when official get corrupts when poverty become rampart and people see the hypocrites


and sadly the gist of your post is shown in last sentence , w e need more population because rather than making our armed forces more efficient and modern we rather have more cannon fodder in case of war

 

[Persian Gulf]

wrong , first when you can't provide the food, water or job you have no business of increasing the population
when you retire the people between 45-50 then you have no business complaining about shortage of work force.
when you can't provide the level of education guaranteed in your constitution then you have no business saying the gdp will be reduce if the population reduce.

it is easier to fix those things than to fix a declining population