IRGC-ASF launches missile strikes against anti-Iran terrorists in Pakistan, Iraq and Syria - Pakistan responds

[925boy]

Iran striked Pakistan territory first and Pakistan replied back, both states didn't attack each other military but as claimed terrorist groups. PDF members from Iran and Pakistan need to calm down, and move on.

sure.

Don't forget Gaza, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Lebanon and beware of Indian fake accounts and trolls lighting the flame.

but it sounds like Pakistan forgot Gaza children and women with its navy following US instructions to go to the REd Sea to deter the Houthis under the excuse of "securing maritime trade routes"- very sad to see Pakistan supporting Western oppressors against Muslim people in Gaza, all for what? a few billion dollars even US didnt have to give Pakistan.

Pakistan and Iran are brotherly nations, we have a great relationship,

on paper yes, but this week's reality doesnt match this fantasy representation.

yes some issues are there but that is normal for this region, with all the militancy, Afghan wars, extremism, both nations are bound to face attacks at some point.

nice wording to excuse Pakistani state responsiblity for hosting terrorists- started with Bin Laden, now to Baloch militants against Iran (which has been going on for over a decade now). Pakistan is very likely hosting Al-Zahwahiri too (AQ's #2 person).

Both are powerful nations with own interests but they have never been enemies,

Pakistan is not really powerful- if Pakistan was powerful US wouldnt have been able to buy out its govt- Russia, China, Iran, NOrth Korea can be said to be powerful, because despite all the threats and actions of US, they haven't given in, thats power. Pakistan looks tough, but its broke, so its not strong.

when Iran was under Shah both nations had good relations, now under the Ayatollahs we still have good relations, despite foreign pressure, blackmail we are still good neighbours.

yea yea...act like a good neighbor and dont play victim when accountability comes, Pakistan is behaving like Ukraine in that regard- starts problems, then talks technicalities (our sovereignty was violated" crap) instead of taking responsibility. Pakistan knows those terrorists were on its soil and did nothing- fact!

 

[925boy]

Iran's help to the Palestinians is appreciated by just about ALL Pakistanis, including me. And you can see that in the Israel-Gaza conflict thread on PDF.

ok

But you fail to see that the escalation you did against Pakistan was a stupid, cruel move.

its only stupid and cruel IMO from the perspective of the terrorists that were hit by Iran in Pakistan.

You'd never be able to finish off the 'terrorists' hiding inside Pakistan who attack Iran by launching missiles into Pakistan just as Pakistan wouldn't be able to finish off the 'terrorists' hiding in Iran who attack Pakistan by launching missiles into Iran. Those are starting points to come up with reasonable policies by both countries.

Iran cant reach any reasonable "policies" with a Pakistan that is fully controlled by US, because US and Iran's policies and views are incompatible, at least currently. some of you Pakistanis talk as though your govt is objective towards Iran- its not- your govt has become another bought out proxy to be used against regional enemies US cant fight on its own. US military is obv getting weak if US keeps relying on proxies- it created ISIS (and ISIS-K) to fight Syria and Taliban respectively, then it armed Ukraine to fight Russia, and now it has prepared Pakistan to strike back at Iran. Pakistan will pay the ultimate price for accepting to be used, end of story IMO.

 

[PakAl]

@925boy
If your really powerful and want a war then go fight Israel and liberate Palestine. Dont keep on threatening your neighbours who want to live in peace and have other enemies to deal with. Its easy to talk big.

 

[Meengla]

ran cant reach any reasonable "policies" with a Pakistan that is fully controlled by US, because US and Iran's policies and views are incompatible, at least currently. some of you Pakistanis talk as though your govt is objective towards Iran- its not- your govt has become another bought out proxy to be used against regional enemies US cant fight on its own. US military is obv getting weak if US keeps relying on proxies- it created ISIS (and ISIS-K) to fight Syria and Taliban respectively, then it armed Ukraine to fight Russia, and now it has prepared Pakistan to strike back at Iran. Pakistan will pay the ultimate price for accepting to be used, end of story IMO.

It is sad to see this comment. I thought you post great in the Israel-Palestine conflict threat.

Unfortunately, this forum's Pakistani members' certain political tilt has distorted the international members' understanding about Pakistani foreign policy and its military; I try not to engage with those members as there is not much common ground between me and them when it comes to Pakistani politics; I used to engage with them in the old PDF but I have learned since then not to.

Pakistan is no US lackey! Pakistan even cut off supplies to NATO troops which were deployed in Afghanistan AND Pakistan sheltered and funded the Afghan Taliban which actually killed the NATO forces for two decades and for that Pakistan paid a heavy price on its 'image' and even blockade of Coalition Support Funds and raised threats from India with Western help. It was the same Pakistan which resisted the GCC/American pressure to help them against the Houthis and the same Pakistan which stood its ground against the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the same Pakistan which continued to recognize the Assad regime despite Pakistan's allies like Turkey and GCC targeting Assad. It was the same Pakistan which resolutely resisted getting involved in the Iran-Iraq war of the 80s and even tried hard to make peace between them. And Pakistan's overall security policies don't change much--the policies are to focused on India/Kashmir because that's where Pakistan's survival is at stake; there is continuity of policies in Pakistan for decades. It is generally sound foreign policy except for the blunder of aiding the Americans against the Soviets in the 70s--but then a chunk of the world, including Iran, did the same.

Having said that, Pakistan has to appear to remain somewhat neutral about Iran-Arab issues because Pakistan's trade/commerce with the West/GCC; there are shocking consequences for Pakistan otherwise given Pakistan's lack of resources, large population, AND a hostile powerful country to Pakistan's east which is ready to pounce on Pakistan given any opportunity.

 

[hasn2009]

answer the simple questions, no running around, please

Against How many non Muslim countries Iran went to open/direct war????

Why Iran's all conflicts are with Muslim countries??

Let me make a little correction to your question:
Why Iran's all conflicts are with "pro-Israel/pro-USA" Muslim countries??

And my question for you is why Zionist regime has issues with Iran?

 

[PakAl]

It is sad to see this comment. I thought you post great in the Israel-Palestine conflict threat.

Unfortunately, this forum's Pakistani members' certain political tilt has distorted the international members' understanding about Pakistani foreign policy and its military; I try not to engage with those members as there is not much common ground between me and them when it comes to Pakistani politics; I used to engage with them in the old PDF but I have learned since then not to.

Pakistan is no US lackey! Pakistan even cut off supplies to NATO troops which were deployed in Afghanistan AND Pakistan sheltered and funded the Afghan Taliban which actually killed the NATO forces for two decades and for that Pakistan paid a heavy price on its 'image' and even blockade of Coalition Support Funds and raised threats from India with Western help. It was the same Pakistan which resisted the GCC/American pressure to help them against the Houthis and the same Pakistan which stood its ground against the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and the same Pakistan which continued to recognize the Assad regime despite Pakistan's allies like Turkey and GCC targeting Assad. It was the same Pakistan which resolutely resisted getting involved in the Iran-Iraq war of the 80s and even tried hard to make peace between them. And Pakistan's overall security policies don't change much--the policies are to focused on India/Kashmir because that's where Pakistan's survival is at stake; there is continuity of policies in Pakistan for decades. It is generally sound foreign policy except for the blunder of aiding the Americans against the Soviets in the 70s--but then a chunk of the world, including Iran, did the same.

Having said that, Pakistan has to appear to remain somewhat neutral about Iran-Arab issues because Pakistan's trade/commerce with the West/GCC; there are shocking consequences for Pakistan otherwise given Pakistan's lack of resources, large population, AND a hostile powerful country to Pakistan's east which is ready to pounce on Pakistan given any opportunity.

Pakistan may not be perfect but they certainly believe in the progress of Muslim countries. I remember when Pakistan produced some training aircrafts and one of the first nation they donated to was Iran, then some to Egypt because our airforce believed the Muslim nations need to train their pilots in the best way, later on Egypt and Iran bought alot more in numbers. Our public in majority doesn't support enmity against any muslim country. This is the ideology of the founders of Pakistan who believed we as a Islamic state need to make close relations with our Muslim states. A few times Iran and Saudi Arabia started to make aggressive statements against each other, and Pakistan generals visited Iran and then to Saudi Arabia to calm them down. As a nation Pakistan does not support any war between Muslim countries, because we all will have to pay for it afterwards.

 

[Tehrani021]

@925boy
If your really powerful and want a war then go fight Israel and liberate Palestine. Dont keep on threatening your neighbours who want to live in peace and have other enemies to deal with. Its easy to talk big.

Iran is fighting Israel, why isn't Pakistan?

 

[925boy]

It has escalated quickly because Iranian
IRGC has recklessly attacked Pakistan despite several channels of communication and a legacy of joint cooperation against terrorist groups operating in the bordering areas of Pakistan and Iran. Even after attacks, Pakistan tried to resolve it diplomatically but Iran showed no remorse and interest in meaningful negotiations. Therefore, Pakistan ended up retaliating!!

Iran talking to Pakistan didnt do anything all this while..why? The Pakistani state apparently NEEDS to host anti-Iran terrorists in order to earn hard dollars cash from its masters - US and Saudis (especially). Iran has already told Pakistani govt about these dangerous terrorists in its border areas, but the Pakistani govt irresponsibly ignored Iran's protests, same scenario with Ukraine- Russia told Ukraine multiple times that letting NATO into its territory is a threat, but Ukraine didnt listen, now Ukraine and Pakistan (under the same master US) use the same excuse - "our sovereignty was violated"- it got violated because hosting terrorists and enemies of neighours nullifies the right to national sovereignty !

 

[925boy]

Kulbushan Jadhav, an Indian national (now sitting in Pakistani jail) was running a terrorist network in Pakistan but was operating from Iran?

But Abdul malik Rigi (Pakistan allowed him fly over Iran with a UAE passport) and Jundollah (and Iran smashing it made it evolve into Jash Ul-Adl) were operating from Pakistan and hitting Iran? Pakistan needs to learn from Iran how to "manage" terrorists, because Pakistan has been doign this for a while- Bin laden! but doesnt know how to not make it backfire against it (look at Taliban view of Pakistan now vs in the 90s/late 2000s).

 

[925boy]

Iranian and Pakistani FMs have phone call; stress need for cooperation; Pakistani FM invites Iranian FM to visit Islamabad

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if the Pakistani govt is serious this time about cooperating with Iran (i wont bet $ on that, and definitely not yet), then that proves that Iranian strikes in Pakistan led to this progress.

 

[RescueRanger]

if the Pakistani govt is serious this time about cooperating with Iran (i wont bet $ on that, and definitely not yet), then that proves that Iranian strikes in Pakistan led to this progress.

I’ve said this three times now. Such channels of comms have been established since 2009.

I have covered this in great detail in my post here:

Understanding Balochistan

Image 1: Map of Pakistan with province of Balochistan highlighted in red. [Image (C) Creative Commons. Attributed****] 1. Introduction Pakistan is a federal parliamentary republic, a federation made up of many different units. Pakistan has confronted the challenge of nationalist dogma based in...

defencepk.com

 

[Goenitz]

Iran is fighting Israel, why isn't Pakistan?

Are you fighting for Kashmir? Did you help Bosnians? or Moroccans? We gave Morcoans urgent Pakistani citizenship so that he could represent in the UN.

Ahmed Balafrej - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Tehrani021]

I’ve said this three times now. Such channels of comms have been established since 2009.

I have covered this in great detail in my post here:

Understanding Balochistan

Image 1: Map of Pakistan with province of Balochistan highlighted in red. [Image (C) Creative Commons. Attributed****] 1. Introduction Pakistan is a federal parliamentary republic, a federation made up of many different units. Pakistan has confronted the challenge of nationalist dogma based in...

defencepk.com

How would you evaluate the effectiveness of these channels?

 

[Tehrani021]

Are you fighting for Kashmir? Did you help Bosnians? or Moroccans? We gave Morcoans urgent Pakistani citizenship so that he could represent in the UN.

Not even a single bullet? We're talking about Israel since that was what was brought up. Let's stick with that.

 

[RescueRanger]

How would you evaluate the effectiveness of these channels?

They have worked well since 2009. I am presently at work so I cannot expand on this I have discussed this in my detailed post which I quoted above with is well over 10,000 words so enjoy reading it if you want.

When I finish work, I’ll post a more detailed post covering this is detail here if you prefer.