TallGuy
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Sir,
Brigadier general Amir-Ali Hajizadeh what is the thought process? by saying we are ready for for whatever happens next? does that mean they are going to escalate further?
what do you think?
IRGC-ASF launches missile strikes against anti-Iran terrorists in Pakistan, Iraq and Syria - Pakistan responds
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Sir,
Brigadier general Amir-Ali Hajizadeh what is the thought process? by saying we are ready for for whatever happens next? does that mean they are going to escalate further?
what do you think?
Waz
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These wretched extreme sanghis become more hilarious and vile by each day. I'm glad I banned three of then under 10 minutes yesterday. They were stirring things between Pakistani and Iranian posters.
StormBreaker
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Soo I was right and the timing was too. It seems karachi was on high alert
Waz
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I may soon lock this as I've come across many a stupid post....
My own thoughts I'm sad that relations between Pakistan and Iran will now probably be strained for quite some time till we see normalcy.
There were alternative means than to go down the route of force, that to without warning or consultation. Where was the cost/benefit analysis here?
I did say 24 hours ago there will be strikes and I didn't mean this in the sense of 'let's go get Iran', I meant in the context that Pakistan has a rival who would be watching very carefully as to what Pakistan's next steps were. If nothing occurred then that would very much embolden their military planners and hawks.
It's very sad women and children have died.
My own thoughts I'm sad that relations between Pakistan and Iran will now probably be strained for quite some time till we see normalcy.
There were alternative means than to go down the route of force, that to without warning or consultation. Where was the cost/benefit analysis here?
I did say 24 hours ago there will be strikes and I didn't mean this in the sense of 'let's go get Iran', I meant in the context that Pakistan has a rival who would be watching very carefully as to what Pakistan's next steps were. If nothing occurred then that would very much embolden their military planners and hawks.
It's very sad women and children have died.
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It been clear to me what's unfolded is along the lines in the tweet below. All things being equal it matches my mental model. I.e. There was coordination between governments in favor of what Iran needed and Pakistan got something too.
Olympus81
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Its not surprising Indians mentioning how Pakistan’s retaliation will give India a fresh impetus for an eventual strike on Pakistan.
During Swift Retort, the highlight was not Abhinandon or the tea that was served, but from a strategic perspective, restoration of a conventional balance that Pakistan will not hesitate to up the escalation ladder by striking a number of targets in IoK, after India’s strike in Balakot.
With the above context in mind, it was absolutely necessary Pakistan retaliated and send a message.
The amount of trolling that is emanating from our eastern neighbor is honestly, lame.
During Swift Retort, the highlight was not Abhinandon or the tea that was served, but from a strategic perspective, restoration of a conventional balance that Pakistan will not hesitate to up the escalation ladder by striking a number of targets in IoK, after India’s strike in Balakot.
With the above context in mind, it was absolutely necessary Pakistan retaliated and send a message.
The amount of trolling that is emanating from our eastern neighbor is honestly, lame.
HAIDER
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Pakistan had no choice to strike inside Iran Baluchistan, two reason first , we need to tell Iran, next time we should try joint operation and second which more important was message to India.
But, it true in the past , when US-Pak ran IBOs were badly failed and US started drone strikes in FATA. US military complaint in Musharraf era about frequent failed JOs because moles inside ISI inform the designated target before PA reach the hideouts. J ops of Iran and Pakistan may meet the same fate. Plus , they have 3rd option to run toward Afghanistan. But biggest issue is funds, such operations need huge funding.
So, such terror activities will remain there and training camps inside Afghanistan will remain operational. Like someone said before, both Pak and Iran side of Baluchistan need development, but how .... my uncle served in 80s inside Pak Baluchistan was building roads and there team constant under threat from terrorist. ( Pak Army Engineers).
But, it true in the past , when US-Pak ran IBOs were badly failed and US started drone strikes in FATA. US military complaint in Musharraf era about frequent failed JOs because moles inside ISI inform the designated target before PA reach the hideouts. J ops of Iran and Pakistan may meet the same fate. Plus , they have 3rd option to run toward Afghanistan. But biggest issue is funds, such operations need huge funding.
So, such terror activities will remain there and training camps inside Afghanistan will remain operational. Like someone said before, both Pak and Iran side of Baluchistan need development, but how .... my uncle served in 80s inside Pak Baluchistan was building roads and there team constant under threat from terrorist. ( Pak Army Engineers).
PakAl
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Iran striked Pakistan territory first and Pakistan replied back, both states didn't attack each other military but as claimed terrorist groups. PDF members from Iran and Pakistan need to calm down, and move on. Don't forget Gaza, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Lebanon and beware of Indian fake accounts and trolls lighting the flame.
Pakistan and Iran are brotherly nations, we have a great relationship, yes some issues are there but that is normal for this region, with all the militancy, Afghan wars, extremism, both nations are bound to face attacks at some point. Both are powerful nations with own interests but they have never been enemies, when Iran was under Shah both nations had good relations, now under the Ayatollahs we still have good relations, despite foreign pressure, blackmail we are still good neighbours.
Pakistan and Iran are brotherly nations, we have a great relationship, yes some issues are there but that is normal for this region, with all the militancy, Afghan wars, extremism, both nations are bound to face attacks at some point. Both are powerful nations with own interests but they have never been enemies, when Iran was under Shah both nations had good relations, now under the Ayatollahs we still have good relations, despite foreign pressure, blackmail we are still good neighbours.
Prometheus89
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Iranian News saying that these mutual attacks were with Mutual understanding between the two nations. (A Lie Of course)
tsunset
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Stop spreading fakes from well known fake news medias
Iranian News saying that these mutual attacks were with Mutual understanding between the two nations. (A Lie Of course)
Iran International is Israel funded, nothing to do with Iran
Iran Condemns Pakistani Military Attack Near Border - Politics news - Tasnim News Agency
TEHRAN (Tasnim) – Iran’s Foreign Ministry spokesman, Nasser Kanaani, condemned the attack carried out by the Pakistani military on a location in a border region in the southeastern province of Sistan and Balouchestan.
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
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This is deflection from actual on ground situation.
Pakistan and Iran had no overt escalation or any meaningful rise in temperature to warrant such action.
Since Iran simultaneously used ballistic missiles in multiple theaters with exceptional precision. It apparently seems an exercise in deterrence... not against Pakistan but for those making overt or covert calculations against it.
Now, Pakistan and Iraq(rendered as a proxy of Iran after previous US invasion) both rightfully felt the heat.
The reactions on the forum is quite evident. The fact that Iranians downplayed any reaction/retaliation from either side is a bit perplexing.
Iraq simply lacks the capability and even political wherewithal internally to do anything meaningful. But Pakistan did/does... and here is the conundrum...
What guarantees or assurances they had that it wouldn't?
Second, how does Iran internally portray or understands Pakistans role in the region? An almost servile entity of western interests, from onset all the way back to Mossadegh, staging ground for the coup.
For a lack of better understanding on inner working of Iranian leadership it is hard to conclude or even assess the perceptions in inner circles.
Does Iran perceive Pakistan as a threat?
They recently concluded a deal with India on Chabahar... if the above concerns are real than in light of them, perhaps a dual front... as India is nothing but slave of it's desires... and that port is nothing but purposeful circumnavigation or obviating geographical presence of Pakistan.
I had previously also weighed the possibility that the leadership is just jittery and had to produce results, counterintuitive as they maybe...
Unable to do much on the death of their celebrated General... lost over a hundred souls on his anniversary. And facing real possibility of escalation in the most unpredictable way perhaps ever...
As noted, and possibly as intended both Israel and the US noted down the demonstration of Iranian capacity to hit targets with precision and part of the equation of calculus on Iran and it's proxies.
For lack of better understanding, above are a set of variables among I'm sure many more and perhaps more plausible ones that can only be ascertained with further information or indulgence.
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