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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Looks like "one word, Pakistan" is no ancient heresy...

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[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Israel is not some 'bogie'. It has grabbed more and more land and will seek any fertile land in its vicinity as long as there are enough Israelis to occupy those lands. I am speaking facts. As for the Palestinian state, it is possibility along the lines of some Bantustan but nothing more than that, even if that.
But now I see why you post like you do about this war.

The Divine "trick" lies there! The total# of Beni Israil < 20m, and it hardly moves up....

 

[SteppeWolff]

It is you who are being selective in the consistent application of standards.

In the context of this thread, clearly negotiations in Pakistan must remain cognizant of the facts as I have said above: if Israel is a proxy of USA, then so are many others involved also, specifically supported by Iran. Any peace deal must deal with these facts equally for both sides.

And I am not saying that with any sneer or emotion, just plain simple geopolitical facts and logic.

Please try it sometime. It might help you.

Your "consistent standards" are the arsonist’s logic.

While you are hiding behind a dictionary and the word proxy, US and Israeli jets incinerated Iran’s leadership. The Strait of Hormuz is in flames. The Islamabad talks collapsed specifically because the US side is led by sub zero IQ buffoons, while Netanyahu is evading his corruption trial by fueling the war.

And you are telling us with a straight face, demanding that the party under active bombardment disarm "equally" with the one dropping the bombs, the side who started the war and a genocide, because both happen to have outside support ? That isn’t geopolitics mate, its the legalism of a war crime apologist.

Your "neutrality" is just the boot asking the throat to stop resisting so the crushing can proceed in peace.

 

[VCheng]

And you are telling us with a straight face, demanding that the party under active bombardment disarm "equally" with the one dropping the bombs, the side who started the war and a genocide, because both happen to have outside support

ROFL. I am not demanding anything, nor am I apologizing for anything.

Ignoring the half-ton chip on your shoulder, I am merely recognizing the incontrovertible geopolitical realities that Pakistan must navigate as it attempts to negotiate a peace settlement between two parties now directly at war with each other.

That is the topic here, not yet another rehash of the same tired old emotional outbursts of zealotry that pervade many other threads on PDF currently by design.

I am quite sure that FM Munir and others leading this process in Islamabad remain fully cognizant of what I have said above.

 

[EugeneP]

Aren't you following the discussions on HEU? They are about 5 years non enrichment to 20 years non enrichment to downgrading the enrichment levels to even shipping them off to some other country.
It is a bargaining chip which Iran was willing to concede in the Oman talk just before this war started.

Those "discussions" are spanning a range of ( -infinity .. +infinity). That is not a discussion, it is just random chit chat. I am fairly confident, at present time, there is no possibility of agreement between Trump administration and IRGC on HEU.

 

[I*R*A]

If Iran complies with the demands Israel has no reason/justification to attack Iran ....we the incompetent Muslims have created the Bogie of Israel as if she is some kind of of monster that's going to devour the Islamic world....my analysis is that within couple of years Palestinian will get statehood and there will be a lasting peace between Arabs and Israelis .

israel is a real threat to the world's peace. Genocidal religious extremist maniacs. Psychos. The only state that has brought people from other countries to settle on occupied territories, that too purely based on religion. Recently they brought 250 indians.

This state has killed innocent children, they will never be at peace.

 

[mythbuster]

israel is a real threat to the world's peace. Genocidal religious extremist maniacs. Psychos. The only state that has brought people from other countries to settle on occupied territories, that too purely based on religion. Recently they brought 250 indians.

This state has killed innocent children, they will never be at peace.

I am not putting Israel at a morally higher point than the rest , it's history is atrocious.....the point is that Israel doesn't have the fundamentals necessary to harm in the long run...if the Arabs are performing way below their fundamentals and Israel is exploiting them then Kudos to Israel.. it's law of nature, Arabs have to pay the price..... logically , Israel will be better off if comes to peace and understanding with the Arabs... Israeli maybe very nasty lot , however, they are not dumb.

 

[I*R*A]

I am not putting Israel at a morally higher point than the rest , it's history is atrocious.....the point is that Israel doesn't have the fundamentals necessary to harm in the long run...if the Arabs are performing way below their fundamentals and Israel is exploiting them then Kudos to Israel.. it's law of nature, Arabs have to pay the price..... logically , Israel will be better off if comes to peace and understanding with the Arabs... Israeli maybe very nasty lot , however, they are not dumb.

We can ignore this, but israelis are driven by their religious agendas and prophecies. They want the temple to be built and whosoever they are waiting for to appear and establish his rule in the world. They are not going to stop till this prophecy is proven wrong.

This whole drama and their religious war can end if israelis build that temple. The whole world can see that there is no messiah or a dajjal or a mahdi or a jesus coming.

But you see, these people had both Muslims and Christians fooled into believing a version of similar prophecy. Muslims do not realize it but this can be proven the day they stop believing into a fictional character Mahdi and coming back of Jesus (a belief that is in contradiction with Quran).

 

[mythbuster]

We can ignore this, but israelis are driven by their religious agendas and prophecies. They want the temple to be built and whosoever they are waiting for to appear and establish his rule in the world. They are not going to stop till this prophecy is proven wrong.

This whole drama and their religious war can end if israelis build that temple. The whole world can see that there is no messiah or a dajjal or a mahdi or a jesus coming.

But you see, these people had both Muslims and Christians fooled into believing a version of similar prophecy. Muslims do not realize it but this can be proven the day they stop believing into a fictional character Mahdi and coming back of Jesus (a belief that is in contradiction with Quran).

I have never been into theology , not my forte.... however, it's my believe that theology had always been exploited by people with nefarious designs . that said , such exploitations can't last for a longer period of time....the vast majority of Jews that I met ( dated couple of Jewish ladies) are atheist types , pleasant companions and helpful.

 

[RescueRanger]

Haan jee jenab. Petrol ki halat check karain...

 

[mythbuster]

Haan jee jenab. Petrol ki halat check karain...

Brent oil is still at $ 103 ....oil market is not panicking as expected and desired by many pundits.

 

[I*R*A]

Haan jee jenab. Petrol ki halat check karain...

Pakistan is about to see an EV, REEV revolution. Then would come the stage where government would find a way to tax those.

 

[I*R*A]

I have never been into theology , not my forte.... however, it's my believe that theology had always been exploited by people with nefarious designs . that said , such exploitations can't last for a longer period of time....the vast majority of Jews that I met ( dated couple of Jewish ladies) are atheist types , pleasant companions and helpful.

We are talking about centuries old people who haven't shied away from killing Prophets and Messengers. They are not going to change dost. Temple revival, Christ, Mahdi, prophecies, Armageddon ... these are not just religious fantasies only. What drives all these people to leave their home countries and settle in israel?

There are many Hindus who say they are Atheists but their sympathies still lie with Hinduism, not that it is a bad thing, just that it cannot be changed.

 

[PakAl]

That will work only if proxies funded from elsewhere in the region stop their violent activities and resort to political activities only.

History doesnt agree with this. Israel plan of expansion is real, they have been expanding since 1948, new settlements every other year. Even if Iran dismantles, Israel will invent a new enemy and use it to expand.

 

[PakAl]

Agreed. Israel ( US proxy ) needs to be defanged for lasting peace.

The only way forward and towards lasting peace. All Jews Muslims Christians will live happily in Jerusalem, as long as the dual nationals are kicked out.