Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

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and a suspicious death.

 

[Yasser76]

Merge if you will mods, but feel this demanded a seperate thread. Seeing as Pak Army is far larger then even Indonesian and Azeri armies combined, it seems like we may well see Pak boots on ground in Gaza.

Indonesia, Azerbaijan, Pakistan in talks to provide troops for Gaza stabilization force

Negotiations on the makeup of the force, a key part of Trump’s 20-point-plan, are ongoing.

U.S. President Donald Trump, right, and Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto pose for a photo at the Gaza International Peace Summit in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, Oct. 13, 2025. | Pool photo by Suzanne Plunkett
By Felicia Schwartz and Paul McLeary10/15/2025 02:32 PM EDT


Indonesia, Azerbaijan and Pakistan are the top contenders to supply troops for a future stabilization force in the Gaza Strip, according to a U.S. defense official and a former U.S. defense official granted anonymity to discuss sensitive ongoing discussions.

Negotiations on the makeup of the force are ongoing, and no country has made a firm commitment, the current U.S. defense official said.





These are the countries that have expressed the most interest, the U.S. defense official said. Trump’s 20-point plan for peace in Gaza says the U.S. will work with Arab and other partners to deploy a temporary stabilization force that will train and support vetted Palestinian police forces and will consult with Egypt and Jordan on the effort. The U.S. has said no American troops will be inside Gaza.





The so-called international stabilization force is a crucial component to Trump’s plan to end the war between Hamas and Israel and pave the way for Gaza’s ultimate demilitarization and reconstruction.

At a minimum, standing up such a force is months away. Many diplomats and analysts are skeptical that Trump’s plan will ever move out of its current phase, a ceasefire in exchange for the release of all of the remaining hostages in Israel.

“It’s a two to three month prospect from the day the decision is reached” on who will participate, said Dan Shapiro, who was the top official on the Middle East at the Pentagon during the Biden administration.

The White House and the embassies of Indonesia, Pakistan and Azerbaijan didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

The U.S. has sent 200 troops to Israel to help coordinate the effort to maintain the ceasefire and stabilize the enclave. The troops — under U.S. Central Command — will be stationed at a civil-military coordination center, to be located north of Gaza in Israel. Egyptian, Qatari and Emirati troops are also expected to be located at the coordination center. Egyptian forces are currently helping retrieve bodies of deceased hostages in Gaza.

The former defense official said that coordinating with Indonesia and Azerbaijan adds a layer of complexity to the stabilization effort because they are not in CENTCOM’s area of responsibility.

Asked about the burgeoning plans, the Pentagon referred to CENTCOM, and a spokesperson for the command declined to comment.

Other aspects of the transition also have yet to be set up. So far the Trump administration has not announced any other technical teams or coordinating bodies from the State Department or other parts of the U.S. government to make sure the effort moves along.

Hamas agreed to a peace deal Oct. 8 and released its 20 remaining hostages earlier this week but has only transferred seven of 28 bodies of those who died in captivity. Israel said Hamas is violating the deal by delaying the return of the deceased captives.









The U.S. and its allies are now trying to execute the next phase of the plan — getting Hamas to give up its arms.

“Everyone says, ‘Oh, well, they won’t disarm.’ They will disarm,” President Donald Trump said Tuesday at a White House event with the Argentinian president. “I spoke to Hamas, and I said, ‘You’re going to disarm, right?’ ‘Yes, sir, we’re going to disarm.’ That’s what they told me. They will disarm or we will disarm them. Got it?”

Shapiro, the former Biden official, argued that establishing the contours of a stabilization force now can help to dispel cynicism surrounding the U.S. ability to move the effort into the next phase.

“It’s important to show momentum. It’s important to identify these countries, have them step forward, have the mandate agreed upon, have the structure agreed upon and demonstrate that the troops are actually being prepared for deployment,” he said.

 

[Owaiz]

Merge if you will mods, but feel this demanded a seperate thread. Seeing as Pak Army is far larger then even Indonesian and Azeri armies combined, it seems like we may well see Pak boots on ground in Gaza.

Indonesia, Azerbaijan, Pakistan in talks to provide troops for Gaza stabilization force

Negotiations on the makeup of the force, a key part of Trump’s 20-point-plan, are ongoing.

U.S. President Donald Trump, right, and Indonesian President Prabowo Subianto pose for a photo at the Gaza International Peace Summit in Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt, Oct. 13, 2025. | Pool photo by Suzanne Plunkett
By Felicia Schwartz and Paul McLeary10/15/2025 02:32 PM EDT


Indonesia, Azerbaijan and Pakistan are the top contenders to supply troops for a future stabilization force in the Gaza Strip, according to a U.S. defense official and a former U.S. defense official granted anonymity to discuss sensitive ongoing discussions.

Negotiations on the makeup of the force are ongoing, and no country has made a firm commitment, the current U.S. defense official said.





These are the countries that have expressed the most interest, the U.S. defense official said. Trump’s 20-point plan for peace in Gaza says the U.S. will work with Arab and other partners to deploy a temporary stabilization force that will train and support vetted Palestinian police forces and will consult with Egypt and Jordan on the effort. The U.S. has said no American troops will be inside Gaza.





The so-called international stabilization force is a crucial component to Trump’s plan to end the war between Hamas and Israel and pave the way for Gaza’s ultimate demilitarization and reconstruction.

At a minimum, standing up such a force is months away. Many diplomats and analysts are skeptical that Trump’s plan will ever move out of its current phase, a ceasefire in exchange for the release of all of the remaining hostages in Israel.

“It’s a two to three month prospect from the day the decision is reached” on who will participate, said Dan Shapiro, who was the top official on the Middle East at the Pentagon during the Biden administration.

The White House and the embassies of Indonesia, Pakistan and Azerbaijan didn’t immediately respond to requests for comment.

The U.S. has sent 200 troops to Israel to help coordinate the effort to maintain the ceasefire and stabilize the enclave. The troops — under U.S. Central Command — will be stationed at a civil-military coordination center, to be located north of Gaza in Israel. Egyptian, Qatari and Emirati troops are also expected to be located at the coordination center. Egyptian forces are currently helping retrieve bodies of deceased hostages in Gaza.

The former defense official said that coordinating with Indonesia and Azerbaijan adds a layer of complexity to the stabilization effort because they are not in CENTCOM’s area of responsibility.

Asked about the burgeoning plans, the Pentagon referred to CENTCOM, and a spokesperson for the command declined to comment.

Other aspects of the transition also have yet to be set up. So far the Trump administration has not announced any other technical teams or coordinating bodies from the State Department or other parts of the U.S. government to make sure the effort moves along.

Hamas agreed to a peace deal Oct. 8 and released its 20 remaining hostages earlier this week but has only transferred seven of 28 bodies of those who died in captivity. Israel said Hamas is violating the deal by delaying the return of the deceased captives.









The U.S. and its allies are now trying to execute the next phase of the plan — getting Hamas to give up its arms.

“Everyone says, ‘Oh, well, they won’t disarm.’ They will disarm,” President Donald Trump said Tuesday at a White House event with the Argentinian president. “I spoke to Hamas, and I said, ‘You’re going to disarm, right?’ ‘Yes, sir, we’re going to disarm.’ That’s what they told me. They will disarm or we will disarm them. Got it?”

Shapiro, the former Biden official, argued that establishing the contours of a stabilization force now can help to dispel cynicism surrounding the U.S. ability to move the effort into the next phase.

“It’s important to show momentum. It’s important to identify these countries, have them step forward, have the mandate agreed upon, have the structure agreed upon and demonstrate that the troops are actually being prepared for deployment,” he said.

This is going to be a thankless job and this force will be at the receiving end of criticism from both the Palestinians and Israelis, which is why the US & NATO countries and the local Arab countries and Turkey don't seem to be want to be involved.

 

[Yasser76]

This is going to be a thankless job and this force will be at the receiving end of criticism from both the Palestinians and Israelis, which is why the US & NATO countries and the local Arab countries and Turkey don't seem to be want to be involved.

Agreed, will be a thankless task, my feeling is Munir offered up a Brigade to keep Trump happy

 

[Owaiz]

Agreed, will be a thankless task, my feeling is Munir offered up a Brigade to keep Trump happy

I initially thought that all the 8 countries that met Trump at UNGA would be contributing troops and it would have been a bad idea for Pakistan to send troops even in that situation. However, if Turkey, Egypt, Jordan and the GCC countries are doing to stay away and Pakistan is going to be doing the heavy lifting , the optics would be even worse.

Trump has had his halo moment and has made his case for the Nobel Prize. Israel has got its hostages back and I am very skeptical that either Hamas or Israel or even Trump is serious about their commitment to the next, very difficult and complicated phases of the peace plan. It is going to be terrible look if Pakistani soldiers in the stabilisation force are going to end up fighting Hamas or other Palestinian militia.

I am concerned about what else other than troops has been committed. Based on how much Trump has been yapping about a new round of Abraham Accords, I suspect that might have been committed as well. Leaving aside the issue of whether it is in Pakistan's interest to do so, there is going to be immense domestic blowback if that decision is made without first evolving a wide domestic consensus.

 

[Yasser76]

I initially thought that all the 8 countries that met Trump at UNGA would be contributing troops and it would have been a bad idea for Pakistan to send troops even in that situation. However, if Turkey, Egypt, Jordan and the GCC countries are doing to stay away and Pakistan is going to be doing the heavy lifting , the optics would be even worse.

Trump has had his halo moment and has made his case for the Nobel Prize. Israel has got its hostages back and I am very skeptical that either Hamas or Israel or even Trump is serious about their commitment to the next, very difficult and complicated phases of the peace plan. It is going to be terrible look if Pakistani soldiers in the stabilisation force are going to end up fighting Hamas or other Palestinian militia.

I am concerned about what else other than troops has been committed. Based on how much Trump has been yapping about a new round of Abraham Accords, I suspect that might have been committed as well. Leaving aside the issue of whether it is in Pakistan's interest to do so, there is going to be immense domestic blowback if that decision is made without first evolving a wide domestic consensus.

I dont know, my guess is any stabikisation force that ensure aid provision and helps maintain a ceasefire may be well looked upon. Certainly Pak UN troops in Bosnia many years ago were very appreciated globally, and even to this day.

Also, Israel would have probably objected to Jordanian, Egyptian and Turkish troops. Indonesia, Azeris and Pak are muslim but not directly involved. I suspect this was the compromise with all parties

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Standing shoulder to shoulder with the devil and hopping to disarm Hamas

While 1/3 - 1/2 of Palestinians in Gaza have been killed

 

[313Ghazi]

We should definitely participate in this force and have a significant presence. Our presence can deter further attacks on the people of Gaza. This is why an international Islamic military deployment is required in Gaza and in the West Bank.

 

[Mobius]

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[Yasser76]

Standing shoulder to shoulder with the devil and hopping to disarm Hamas

While 1/3 - 1/2 of Palestinians in Gaza have been killed

Maybe we should just revert to letting Israel start killing them again right?

You are either part of the problem or part of the solution.

 

[Owaiz]

I dont know, my guess is any stabikisation force that ensure aid provision and helps maintain a ceasefire may be well looked upon. Certainly Pak UN troops in Bosnia many years ago were very appreciated globally, and even to this day.

Also, Israel would have probably objected to Jordanian, Egyptian and Turkish troops. Indonesia, Azeris and Pak are muslim but not directly involved. I suspect this was the compromise with all parties

If you read the details of the peace plan and listen to the press conference where Trump and Netanyahu jointly announced the plan, it is quite clear that the primary role of the stabilisation force is to police Gaza and enforce Palestinian disarmament. There will be a buffer zone inside Gaza that will separate the international force and the IDF, who will still stay inside the borders of Gaza.

Provision of aid will mainly be carried out specialist UN agencies. The role of the international force will mainly be to keep Gaza pacified.

This is a very different situation than the UN peacekeeping force in Bosnia. It lacks the credibility of the UN mandate and also has a very specific mission of disarming Hamas . Also, Palestinians have long memories and I am sure they don't fondly remember the role played by Brigadier Zia-ul-Haq in Black September.

Jordan , Egypt and Turkey all have diplomatic relations with Israel. I am not sure why Israel would have a problem if they volunteer to contribute troops since they would have local connections and expertise. I think these countries would be happy to use the reason you gave as a cover to not get involved , though, because they don't want to be associated with the mess that is most likely ahead of us.

 

[Indos]

If you read the details of the peace plan and listen to the press conference where Trump and Netanyahu jointly announced the plan, it is quite clear that the primary role of the stabilisation force is to police Gaza and enforce Palestinian disarmament. There will be a buffer zone inside Gaza that will separate the international force and the IDF, who will still stay inside the borders of Gaza.

Provision of aid will mainly be carried out specialist UN agencies. The role of the international force will mainly be to keep Gaza pacified.

This is a very different situation than the UN peacekeeping force in Bosnia. It lacks the credibility of the UN mandate and also has a very specific mission of disarming Hamas . Also, Palestinians have long memories and I am sure they don't fondly remember the role played by Brigadier Zia-ul-Haq in Black September.

Jordan , Egypt and Turkey all have diplomatic relations with Israel. I am not sure why Israel would have a problem if they volunteer to contribute troops since they would have local connections and expertise. I think these countries would be happy to use the reason you gave as a cover to not get involved , though, because they don't want to be associated with the mess that is most likely ahead of us.

Do you actually care with Palestinians ? Or do you care more on Hamas ?

70,000 death dude. Mostly women and kids. Many kids starving as we are speaking and many have already dead starving

 

[Indos]

Adapt dude. It is not Heaven. It is the world where the strongest usually has more say than the weaks