Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[Owaiz]

Do you actually care with Palestinians ? Or do you care more on Hamas ?

70,000 death dude. Mostly women and kids. Many kids starving as we are speaking and many have already dead starving

Why can't America or the wealthy GCC countries who underwrote this agreement or even Egypt or Turkey send their own troops to enforce it ?

 

[Yasser76]

Why can't America or the wealthy GCC countries who underwrote this agreement or even Egypt or Turkey send their own troops to enforce it ?

Hamas wont accept US troops for sure, largest muslim army was probably best option

 

[Yasser76]

If you read the details of the peace plan and listen to the press conference where Trump and Netanyahu jointly announced the plan, it is quite clear that the primary role of the stabilisation force is to police Gaza and enforce Palestinian disarmament. There will be a buffer zone inside Gaza that will separate the international force and the IDF, who will still stay inside the borders of Gaza.

Provision of aid will mainly be carried out specialist UN agencies. The role of the international force will mainly be to keep Gaza pacified.

This is a very different situation than the UN peacekeeping force in Bosnia. It lacks the credibility of the UN mandate and also has a very specific mission of disarming Hamas . Also, Palestinians have long memories and I am sure they don't fondly remember the role played by Brigadier Zia-ul-Haq in Black September.

Jordan , Egypt and Turkey all have diplomatic relations with Israel. I am not sure why Israel would have a problem if they volunteer to contribute troops since they would have local connections and expertise. I think these countries would be happy to use the reason you gave as a cover to not get involved , though, because they don't want to be associated with the mess that is most likely ahead of us.

I think Palestinians are more concerned about their hungry kids then what Zia did 50 years ago in all honesty. Anything that helps improve their situation is worth it

 

[j_hungary]

You don't seem to understand and maybe blinkered to the fact that US is under Israeli and their local brethren control, they must be as the US congress give a greater standing ovation to Netanyahu than their own President, the US President is forced to sign away 100s of billions to Israel for free, condone a genocide and stands like a waiter next to Netanyahu. Israel decides and the US slavishly executes. The Israelis took control through assassinations, corruption, deception and brainwashing through children's schools and media.

I do understand the US Congress is under Israeli Lobbying. I said this on day one, that's why they have carte blanche to do what they were doing, don't forget I was the first one to say this here, back when you lot thought US and international bodies would constrain Israel.

What I said is, you don't make sense when you say Israel was running out of resources, and they ask the US to stop this war. This is like Russia itself is out of Resources, and they ask the Chinese to stop the War in Ukraine for them, it just DOES NOT make sense at all.

My point is, this is not solving anything; this is just a ceasefire, which can be broken anytime, in fact, it probably was already broken. This ceasefire won't fix anything because it touches on nothing between the Palestinian and Israeli issues. You may have had peace for weeks, months, maybe even years, again, it depends on Trump's attention span, because like it or not, and you can doubt all you want, there are only one country on earth that can stop israel to do what they were doing right on the middle of their track, and that's US, you can say US is a slavary state for Israel or whatever, that does not negate the fact that US has a bigger stick than Israel, and you only need to find the right President and the right Congress to use them.

 

[Mobius]

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[VCheng]

I say this with a mixture of anger, frustration, sadness, and weary resignation - but I don't think that Israel will EVER allow a viable Palestinian state to emerge the ambition of Netanyahu is a one state solution with no Palestinians in it.....and for all of his reign, that has been evident....

Many here share your opinion above, but it is only real events that will show what actually happens.

there will be fighting and blood spilling in this area until the end of time. There is no solution, sadly .

Well, in that case, if both sides cannot learn to exist with the reality of the other's existence, the fighting will continue until one side destroys the other, whichever it might be.

That, in and of itself, would be the solution, eventually.

 

[VCheng]

That's defeatist, if you went by that logic we would be stuck with a crusader state for the last 800 years

And if you were native Americans swamped by white colonials with guns, maybe you could be defeatist and accept the complete destruction of your people and way of life


But the fundamentals in this situation are different
The Jews may have the backing of the U.S and west, but they are few and the Palestinians are younger and in a region dominated by Arabs and Muslims, accepting a foreign occupation is defeatist and pathetic


On the contrary, you just have to buckle down and maintain the angerz the outrage, the hatred and will to resist

If you can't take it back immediately through battle, then relentlessly harass your enemy in any way you can


So how can we harass Israel and the Jews, how can we use the events against them, how can we make every day a battle, a conflict where every Jew is looking over their shoulder.

How can we make every event Israel attends a protest

How can we hound them diplomatically and legally

How can we motivate people to boycott and speak out


Tucking your tail between your legs is never a solution


The world is changing before us and everything is to play for

Of course you are entitled to follow whatever strategy you may wish to follow.

Equally importantly, strategies can only be judged by the actual results they may, or may not, achieve.

 

[Unknowntruth]

Many here share your opinion above, but it is only real events that will show what actually happens.



Well, in that case, if both sides cannot learn to exist with the reality of the other's existence, the fighting will continue until one side destroys the other, whichever it might be.

That, in and of itself, would be the solution, eventually.

Palestinians can coexist just fine with Israelis. It is the Israelis who want their “promised land” without the Palestinians and this is why this situation exists.

Let’s not act like Palestinians chose to be in this situation, it is those colonizing Jews who came to ethnically cleanse.

 

[Mobius]

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[Falcon29]

Trump: "If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, which was not part of the agreement, we will have no choice but to intervene and kill them. Thank you for your attention to this matter!"

Yesterday they were evil gangs, and today they’ve become "people." Have new instructions come to Trump? And what did Trump do during his term when Israel was killing hundreds of people daily in the Gaza Strip!

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[Falcon29]

Ceasefire was a scam. 'Hardliners' can't override will of majority and actual stakeholders.

This is to deflect international outrage when they resume the daily slaughter of civilians.

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[Falcon29]

Lebanon is being subjected to heavier Israeli aggression since the 'ceasefire' took place in Gaza

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[hasn2009]

What am I hearing

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[Falcon29]

Hamas wont accept US troops for sure, largest muslim army was probably best option

If Hamas accepts Muslim forces then it accepts to surrender over offensive weapons to them.

Muslim forces, down to the individual soldier, are expected by religious obligation to protect Gaza and point their guns at Palestinians.

I expect any soldier here enlisted in Indonesian army or Pakistani army to understand that clearly.

That being said, I know for a fact Israel won't allow international forces in Gaza.

Hamas is onboard. Israel will prevent it because it seeks ethnic cleansing/annexation of Palestinian land.

 

[Falcon29]

What am I hearing

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Any sensible person would be against Israel.

Israel is an dictatorial evil. It acts like dictatorships but much worse. With what it has done to the Palestinains.

It disobeyed every law in the book and committed every war crime there is to commit.