Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

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Abdul q said:
Looking at yemen’s location probably looking to invade
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They have Saudi led forces on the ground. If this is true, it looks like they're trying to deal final blow to Axis of Resistance and regime change in Iran.

It can't be ruled out they're spying on Pakistan as well, after Saudi - Pakistani defense agreement.

Israel itself may be capable of attacking Lebanon/Iraq/Yemen simultaneously. Possibly if Netanyahu is trying to sabotage ceasefire deal in Gaza if he believes Trump is now serious .

Trump doesn't bring up disarming Gaza (which is ridiculous and unachievable, it's a condition put to make peace impossible) while Netanyahu does. This could cause Netanyahu to risk an adventure.
 
Falcon29 said:
Everybody makes mistakes, that's out of question. What you're asking is Hamas ever had bad policies. Which is a yes it did. That's one thing I like about them as a Palestinian they've had bad policies and reversed them, and had been grilled for bad policies. Lots of which are domestic related, not necessarily related to struggle with Israel.

When you take on a strategic power play, if Arabs and allies stood behind them, it becomes a victory and we write history. It's not a conspiracy.

How else were victories achieved ? And history has been written? You have to take initiative and take risks.

You say Hamas brought upon its own destruction for committing a military OP that targeted the IDF southern division. An operation centered around targeting a military division laying siege on the Gaza Strip is legal. It doesn't mark destruction of an entire people. That's a big overreach by evil people that seek to exterminate and always had such ambitions.

They'll do it to Palestinians and others because of inherent narcassism, God complex, no checks and balances in world, and no balance of power in region. That is not Hamas's fault that these people are inherently narcassistic and genocidal.

It's the Jewish teachings and the Jewish-American community which granted Israel so much immunity that are responsible.

Hezb and Iran are compromised. This was evident by pager operations, ability to reach Hezbollah commanders, and drone attacks/local on ground attacks in Iran by terrorist Mossad cells all over Iran targeting air defenses, launchers, and more.

Hamas made them know through another way. Which is warning repeatedly that Jerusalem situation which won't be tolerated for longer and a big conflict will arise over it.

But keep in mind Hamas sought for this to be a collective Muslim effort. And told all Muslim nations and people to participate in the very beginning. Not just Iran or Hezbollah.

No they're not stupid nor led by Tel Aviv. Gaza situation was intolerable, and so was situation in Palestine overall. But so is general situation in region with signing Abraham Accords which promotes a unity of religion belief which is blasphemous. Hamas leaders also care about Islam not just Gaza and Palestine.

Hamas thought good of Muslims, clearly, based off on how it was betting on them to participate. They must of expected a lot more. But Muslims thought because they succeeded in a quick operation in one day , that they could then take on fight on their own and we should just watch Hamas fight on its own instead of committing to our responsibility as well ..
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Ok well for me I enjoyed Hamas being a resistance group once you take hold of power it corrupts many just like every other group PLO corrrupt PA Hamas today enjoys many opulent lifestyle choices outside of Palestine and many before this war inside Gaza were living far above your average Palestinian.
Let’s hope for the future of Palestinian state if there will ever be one that the current status quo in power go away quietly and have those who have no ties to any movement or group raise the Palestinian flag one day.

Ps I can agree with resistance but you have to be blind not to see the corruption in many parts of Palestinian society I may agree sinwar and deif chose the life of resistance and knew if they did their life’s would be shorten doesn’t mean much of higher echelon of Hamas are corrupt
 
Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan speaks on current issues:

🔴 Global Sumud Flotilla

— It was a rare and noble action. Governments should support such an effort as much as possible

— After the flotilla set sail, we established close political coordination with many countries and exerted international pressure

— On the process of returning the activists detained by Israel to their countries we contacted Israeli security authorities through the National Intelligence Organization (MİT)

🔴 Trump’s Gaza Cease-fire plan

— (Trump) his statement that he would not allow the annexation of the West Bank has, in fact, become a historic turning point in the context of US–Palestine–Israel relations

— There is always the possibility of (Netanyahu) sabotaging Trump's plan, and I think that is his intention. We need America's seriousness and determination

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Hamas will oblige. Let's hopefully see if Trump sees that as sign of good will and pressures Israel to withdrew ridiculous conditions for ceasefire.

No place anywhere in the world can be disarmed. That kind of condition is to try setting stage for genocide/ethnic cleansing. As it can't be achieved and Israel knows that. It's more interested in pushing people out of Gaza.

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Shadi hassan said:
Ok well for me I enjoyed Hamas being a resistance group once you take hold of power it corrupts many just like every other group PLO corrrupt PA Hamas today enjoys many opulent lifestyle choices outside of Palestine and many before this war inside Gaza were living far above your average Palestinian.
Let’s hope for the future of Palestinian state if there will ever be one that the current status quo in power go away quietly and have those who have no ties to any movement or group raise the Palestinian flag one day.

Ps I can agree with resistance but you have to be blind not to see the corruption in many parts of Palestinian society I may agree sinwar and deif chose the life of resistance and knew if they did their life’s would be shorten doesn’t mean much of higher echelon of Hamas are corrupt
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Hamas nor Palestinian Authority would rule a Palestinian state -- if it becomes a reality. We will have a democracy in the event Palestinain state is formed.
 
Falcon29 said:
From Hebrew Media:
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The Hebrew Hadashot

A very large attack is about to take place simultaneously in four countries,

Iran
Iraq
Lebanon
Yemen

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The Israelis usually don’t give anyone the heads up they’re about to attack 4 countries immediately and there would be total military censorship if there was until after so I’m going to call it like everyone else fake news
 
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so this is the initial withdrawal line. doesn't include Rafah. Hamas is going to give up all the prisoners for this. then when and what guarantees Israel will go to the second stage withdrawal line?
 
Falcon29 said:
Hamas nor Palestinian Authority would rule a Palestinian state -- if it becomes a reality. We will have a democracy in the event Palestinain state is formed.
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I really hope we see a Palestinian state where Palestinians can live in security and with dignity in my lifetime. my wife has been to the West Bank (and Al Aqsa) already and I would love to visit as well. Bethlehem, Jericho, and Jerusalem would be the top of my list.

but a distant prospect for now.
 
Persian Gulf said:
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so this is the initial withdrawal line. doesn't include Rafah. Hamas is going to give up all the prisoners for this. then when and what guarantees Israel will go to the second stage withdrawal line?
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No guarantees at all the Arab and Muslim states may have either came up with a solution one way or the other honestly can’t see if this deal is real or a double cross and than he keeps on about peace will finally brought to the Middle East again is this he’s going to attempt to force Israelis to accept of Palestinian state or is he going to allow Israel to annex whatever they wish and attempt to expel Palestinians altogether
 
🗓️ 2 years of Gaza genocide: Aid workers in Israel’s firing line

•⁠ Israel has killed more than 560 humanitarian workers in Gaza so far, turning the enclave into a graveyard for those who sought to ease suffering

•⁠ ⁠Victims include over 360 UNRWA personnel, along with staff from Doctors Without Borders, World Central Kitchen and other groups

•⁠ ⁠UN experts say Israeli is committing ‘medicide’ to create ‘conditions calculated to destroy Palestinians in Gaza’ http://v.aa.com.tr/3707608

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Shadi hassan said:
No guarantees at all the Arab and Muslim states may have either came up with a solution one way or the other honestly can’t see if this deal is real or a double cross and than he keeps on about peace will finally brought to the Middle East again is this he’s going to attempt to force Israelis to accept of Palestinian state or is he going to allow Israel to annex whatever they wish and attempt to expel Palestinians altogether
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Nothing can be done beyond this.
 
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