Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

ShapurII said:
Decisive victory for Israel. This will shoot up the support for Netanyahu and the Likud Party in Israel.
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Not at all. There is no peace. Deal is just a pause in the extermination of the Palestinians. Nothing Yahoo has made the decision to go to war with Iran. Watch and see how that commences. Israel is under perpetual war compromise. It is a state with no future.
 
clutch said:
Not at all. There is no peace. Deal is just a pause in the extermination of the Palestinians. Nothing Yahoo has made the decision to go to war with Iran. Watch and see how that commences. Israel is under perpetual war compromise. It is a state with no future.
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Israel is on the path of self-destruction in the long term for sure but how can you say this is not a decisive victory? They literally wiped out Hamas and Hezbollah, two of their biggest security challenges.
 

France due to host Arab, European foreign ministers to discuss Gaza’s ‘day after’​

The Paris meeting – due to start at 15:00 GMT today – will bring together top diplomats of five key Arab states – Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates – with European counterparts from France, Italy, Germany, Spain and the UK. Turkiye and the European Union will also be represented.

“This agreement must mark the end of the war and the beginning of a political solution based on the two-state solution,” France’s Emmanuel Macron said.

“They will be talking about Gaza the day after, those are the words of the French Foreign Ministry looking at the transitional process, looking at possible political solutions, and of course rebuilding,” said Al Jazeera’s Natacha Butler, reporting from Paris.

According to the French ministry, the meeting is convening for “work on the implementation of the peace plan and the framework for the ‘day after’ by specifying the aspects of a collective commitment”.

Macron, in a September 22 speech at the United Nations, recognised a Palestinian state on the heels of similar announcements by Canada, Portugal and the United Kingdom.
 
ShapurII said:
Israel is on the path of self-destruction in the long term for sure but how can you say this is not a decisive victory? They literally wiped out Hamas and Hezbollah, two of their biggest security challenges.
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The suffering of the Gazan population has stirred the International community into recognising Palestinian statehood, don't underestimate how much that means.

Extremist Israeli plans for a Greater Israel are now dead in the water.
 
ShapurII said:
The problem with people's forgetfulness is not lack of access to information, it's simply the unwillingness to do so.

Everybody can look up the long list of crimes by Israel, how many people do that?

This war is over and I'm quite sure that a few months from now, any criticism of Israel by celebrities or people in mainstream media will be met with accusations of anti-Semitism, and many people will accept it. People are gullible.
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The so called 'age of the Internet' has actually made things worse. It has shortened peoples attention spans and pushed societies to their breaking point.


Even our own war with Israel has already been forgotten by many it took like two or three weeks for people to move on and forget.
 
WildApache said:
The suffering of the Gazan population has stirred the International community into recognising Palestinian statehood, don't underestimate how much that means.

Extremist Israeli plans for a Greater Israel are now dead in the water.
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There will be no Palestinian statehood. The US will block that at the UN Security Council. Here's how it works according to the UN charter (Article 4, Chapter 2):

Once a state claims independence and functions as such, it may apply for UN membership under Article 4 of the UN Charter.

Article 4:
The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.

That means:
The Security Council must first recommend admission (by at least 9 of 15 votes, and no veto by any of the five permanent members — the P5).

Then, the General Assembly approves the recommendation by a two-thirds majority.

If the Security Council doesn’t recommend (for example, because a permanent member vetoes it), the General Assembly cannot admit the applicant.

So, there will never be a Palestinian statehood. This whole Palestinian statehood is a trick by the Europeans to fix their image after their unconditional support for genocide in the 21st century.

I think the plans for the Greater Israel have just started. Also, expect a new wave of Islamophobia in the West, much stronger than before.
 

‘We must never forget the unbearable human cost of this conflict’: UN’s Guterres​

UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres has delivered a statement about the ceasefire at the UN headquarters in New York. Here are highglights of what he said:

  • I commend the diplomatic efforts of the United States, Qatar, Egypt for the desperately needed breakthrough.
  • I urge all parties to fully abide by the terms of the agreement.
  • All hostages must be released in a dignified manner, a permanent ceasefire must be secured.
  • The bloodshed must stop once and for all.
  • We have the expertise, the distribution networks, the community relationships in place to act, supplies are in place and our teams are on standby.
  • We can scale out food, water, medical, and shelter assistance as well.
  • But to turn this ceasefire into real progress, we need more than the silencing the guns.
  • We need food, safe and sustained search for humanitarian workers, removal of red tape and impediments, and rebuilding of shattered infrastructure.
  • We must never forget the unbearable human cost of this conflict.
  • I mourned all of the lives lost, including United Nations personnel and humanitarian workers, and pay tribute to our colleagues.
  • A first towards ending the occupation, recognizing the right to self-determination of the Palestinian people, and achieving a two-state solution.
  • A path to just and lasting peace between Israelis and Palestinians and to widen peace and security in the Middle East.
  • This breakthrough shows us the power and potential of diplomacy.
  • Let it be a reminder that the solutions to conflicts are not found on the battlefield.
 
ShapurII said:
Israel is on the path of self-destruction in the long term for sure but how can you say this is not a decisive victory? They literally wiped out Hamas and Hezbollah, two of their biggest security challenges.
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Hamas and Hezbollah are irregular forces, they still exist doesn't matter what name it's under

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Take a look at the comments, what the Jews are worried about is not Hamas, it's the fall out

It's the western commentators ESPECIALLY on the right who are now openly calling out Israel

Israel now hinges completely on the U.S

Sometimes you just have to read the writing on the wall
 
hussain0216 said:
Hamas and Hezbollah are irregular forces, they still exist doesn't matter what name it's under

I say again

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Take a look at the comments, what the Jews are worried about is not Hamas, it's the fall out

It's the western commentators ESPECIALLY on the right who are now openly calling out Israel

Israel now hinges completely on the U.S

Sometimes you just have to read the writing on the wall
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Let's shelf this conversation for now and return to it a year from now :)
We will see what people think then. My personal opinion is that this war will lead to a huge rise of Islamophobia in the West, and now that war has ended, it will be even harder to criticize Israel. Again, let's see what will happen. Time will tell.
 
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His sons are innocent like any other child/son/daughter. This person himself is a very despicable creature who posts things like this after Iran-Israel war and martyrdom of 1000 Iranians:

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WildApache said:
Ok ..Ok, the hostages will be released on Monday. That is brilliant news.

What happens on Tuesday when Israel decides to drop a bomb on a former kidnapper? Because they will. Israel never forgoes vengeance.

Will Trump step in to stop Israeli bombs? Will America?

Of course not. They'll take sides, they'll take the Israeli side and say "Israel has the right to defend itself" while ignoring the fact the ceasefire will already be broken and the Muslim world will see that no security guarantees mean anything when Israel is involved.
Consequently they better just team up with Pakistan's nukes today.

This peace deal isn't going to stop the war. It's just going to make the west active participants.
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We are all witness. And we will get again out to the streets until no US citizen is able to travel around the world. World's doesn't pay traitors. Maybe US does but mankind no.
 
ShapurII said:
Israel is on the path of self-destruction in the long term for sure but how can you say this is not a decisive victory? They literally wiped out Hamas and Hezbollah, two of their biggest security challenges.
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They did not wipe out Hamas and Hezbollah; these organizations still exist on the ground in Gaza and South Lebanon. The Israelis inflicted massive destruction on the civilian population. Their way of fighting the resistance was a wholescale massacre of the civilian population, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, and imposition of siege and starvation on the civilian population.

They (Israelis) themselves admitted 80,000 injured military personnel, including 30,000 suffering from PTSD in just 2years. So Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ, and other Palestinian and Arab resistance groups inflicted heavy casualties on the Israelis as well.
 
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