Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[ShapurII]

They did not wipe out Hamas and Hezbollah; these organizations still exist on the ground in Gaza and South Lebanon. The Israelis inflicted massive destruction on the civilian population. Their way of fighting the resistance was a wholescale massacre of the civilian population, the destruction of civilian infrastructure, and impositionod siege and starvation on the civilian population.

They (Israelis) themselves admitted 80,000 injured military personnel, including 30,000 suffering from PTSD in just 2years. So Hamas, Hezbollah, PIJ, and other Palestinian and Arab resistance groups inflicted heavy casualties on the Israelis as well.

Entire chain of command of Hezbollah has been eliminated, including the infamous figure of Hezbollah, Nasrallah. Hezbollah is about to be sidelined in Lebanon and the US is actively pursuing that as we speak. Hamas will no longer participate in the governance of Gaza, lost many of its soldiers, is no longer a military threat to Israel and Gaza will remain partly occupied even after Hamas fulfills all its obligations in the agreement, and assuming that Israel honors its promises, which it never does.

Israel lost only ~7K soldiers in Gaza, per their official claims. 465 killed in action, 6,249 injured. I have no idea where your 80K claim comes from but that is certainly not their own admission officially.
Hamas on the other hand lost ~10K soldiers (killed in action) and the number of wounded is unknown but a reasonable estimate is a ratio of 2-3 wounded for 1 KIA. At least ~65K civilians have been killed, over 150K have been severely injured, probably crippled or suffering from physical trauma for life, more than 90% of the Gaza Strip has been flattened by carpet bombing, millions have become homeless.

It is ridiculous to try to see some sort of balance in this. It was completely one sided by all means.

 

[hussain0216]

Let's shelf this conversation for now and return to it a year from now
We will see what people think then. My personal opinion is that this war will lead to a huge rise of Islamophobia in the West, and now that war has ended, it will be even harder to criticize Israel. Again, let's see what will happen. Time will tell.

I agree with you,

Racism in the west is going to rise in general
It's getting shit here
Economies are stalling
They have a demographic crises with ageing population

When that happens societies historically have gone after immigrants as a easy target

And the Jews are under incredible pressure, so their plan will always be to divert that hate towards other targets like Muslims

The difference is the west is genuinely on the decline, the world is increasingly multi polar and whatever happens

CHANGE is happening in the world


It's up to all of us now not only to hold Israel accountable, but to also push for a Palestinian state


One of the biggest outcomes of this conflict is the west losing the ability to moralize and preach to the world

 

[Falcon29]

Ceasefire for 'Phase 1' was supposed to begin this afternoon in Gaza

Israeli PM still didn't get approval from his government and is dragging this on despite claiming to have agreed to Phase 1.

And Israeli military has been continuing to bombard Gaza, their troops haven't withdrawn to Phase 1 Line yet.

 

[battalion25]

Entire C&C of Hezbollah has been eliminated, including the infamous figure of Hezbollah, Nasrallah. Hezbollah is about to be sidelined in Lebanon and the US is actively pursuing that as we speak. Hamas will no longer participate in the governance of Gaza, lost many of its soldiers, is no longer a military threat to Israel and Gaza will remain partly occupied even after Hamas fulfills all its obligations in the agreement, and assuming that Israel honors its promises, which it never does.

Israel lost only ~7K soldiers in Gaza, per their official claims. 465 killed in action, 6,249 injured. I have no idea where your 80K claim comes from but that is certainly not their own admission officially.
Hamas on the other hand lost ~10K soldiers (killed in action) and the number of wounded is unknown but a reasonable estimate is a ratio of 2-3 wounded for 1 KIA. At least ~65K civilians have been killed, over 150K have been severely injured, probably crippled or suffering from physical trauma for life, more than 90% of the Gaza Strip has been flattened by carpet bombing, millions have become homeless.

It is ridiculous to try to see some sort of balance in this. It was completely one sided by all means.

You believe the deluded lie that Israel lost 465 lmao. They completely ran out of manpower during this war and lost close to 150k no exaggeration.

Israel will exit all of Gaza where an Arab foregin force will govern in it and a Palestinian state will be ethablished there if anything Palestine has been recognized

This also showed that Israel can´t win conventional warfare in the modern era something I predicted a year before the war.

This war was no win for ISRAEL if you are thinking that but rather a stalemate.

Gaza has proven to be a meatgrinder

 

[Falcon29]

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[ShapurII]

I agree with you,

Racism in the west is going to rise in general
It's getting shit here
Economies are stalling
They have a demographic crises with ageing population

When that happens societies historically have gone after immigrants as a easy target

And the Jews are under incredible pressure, so their plan will always be to divert that hate towards other targets like Muslims

The difference is the west is genuinely on the decline, the world is increasingly multi polar and whatever happens

CHANGE is happening in the world


It's up to all of us now not only to hold Israel accountable, but to also push for a Palestinian state


One of the biggest outcomes of this conflict is the west losing the ability to moralize and preach to the world

I agree with everything you said about the change that the world is going through, and the free fall of the Western civilization, but we cannot realistically push for a Palestinian state without the US agreeing to it and as long as the US remains the world's first and foremost hegemon, that's not going to happen.

 

[Falcon29]

Very bizarre 'ceasefire'. How can Hamas secure release of hostages this way? This is all the way off the coast of Gaza city. Far West side. They're deep inside all of Gaza and have not withdrawn to Phase 1 lines (let alone 2/3).

Israeli tanks are firing shells as warnings at people.

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[Falcon29]

Very dangerous Israeli rhetoric. Israeli media and government officials are all saying this is a temporary 72 hr pause to secure their hostages after Hamas releases them, then they will continue to take over all of Gaza , kill 100+ Palestinians a day, and try to exile them out to Egypt :

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[Falcon29]

Ceasefire hasn't taken effect because world is on waiting Netanyahu to get approval from his government.

Seems like his government doesn't want to give that and don't want peace.

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[battalion25]

Very dangerous Israeli rhetoric. Israeli media and government officials are all saying this is a temporary 72 hr pause to secure their hostages after Hamas releases them, then they will continue to take over all of Gaza , kill 100+ Palestinians a day, and try to exile them out to Egypt :

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It is the bitter pill they will swallow it eventually and honestly I said it right after the war began.

That this was a dumb decision by Nethanyahu because he started to fight as if this is WW3 and revealed his hand which is never good besides he thought he could roll over Hamas and PIJ and he had no experts to tell him otherwise that there is no conventional outcome in this conflict.

It was waste of time for him and his military. A wise decision maker would have refrained from this conflict and wait for WW3 To kick off because at that point anything goes and the truth of the matter is IDF can´t win Conventional war without use of nukes in Gaza.

Also it will be necessary for them to drop few nukes on Ramallah and other cities populated by Palestinians.

But you can´t use these weapons during this era but only where the entire world has gone to war and that is when the Israelis will get a real opportunity to rid themselves of the Palestinians hence the entire Gaza war was waste of time really from an Israeli perspective and there was never an upside to it

 

[Falcon29]

This what your PR becomes after you commit a genocide:

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[Falcon29]

This terrorist country made Trump and Rubio announce a Peace Deal on live television , pretended they were onboard with peace

Now they're delaying their government meeting to approve it
..
..

The government meeting to approve the agreement has been postponed to eight o'clock
@amit_segal

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[Falcon29]

Trump needs to get on Netanyahu and show him who's boss

He is embarrassing Trump and trying to prevent Trump from winning Nobel peace prize

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[StrategicBear]

I agree with you,

Racism in the west is going to rise in general
It's getting shit here
Economies are stalling
They have a demographic crises with ageing population

When that happens societies historically have gone after immigrants as a easy target

And the Jews are under incredible pressure, so their plan will always be to divert that hate towards other targets like Muslims

The difference is the west is genuinely on the decline, the world is increasingly multi polar and whatever happens

CHANGE is happening in the world


It's up to all of us now not only to hold Israel accountable, but to also push for a Palestinian state


One of the biggest outcomes of this conflict is the west losing the ability to moralize and preach to the world

I suggest standing fast even in Western countries. Don't move anywhere. White people colonized tons of lands around the world, so why should you guys move out? Let white people know the anger and silent voices of the Natives in the New World and Australia that they massacred and genocided just like the Israelis against the Palestinians, by continuing to live in Western countries and steadily rise in population and influence until Muslims are a majority voice in their governments. Zohran Mamdani was the prelude to that New Islamic Era in The West.

 

[Unknowntruth]

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Also it will be necessary for them to drop few nukes on Ramallah and other cities populated by Palestinians.

But you can´t use these weapons during this era but only where the entire world has gone to war and that is when the Israelis will get a real opportunity to rid themselves of the Palestinians hence the entire Gaza war was waste of time really from an Israeli perspective and there was never an upside to it

You do know that Israeli settlements are all around Ramallah and other Palestinian cities?

Unless they want to Nuke their own people, I don’t think they are that stupid. Radiation leakage will also affect them. They also want to steal and settle the land not make it inhabitable.