Israel Genocide in Gaza - 2023 to present - Part ll

[mulj]

There will be no palestinian state ever until collective muslim hemisphere or formidable block within it can challenge collective west, everything else is illusion in real political lenses.
Palestinians will receive lot of shoulder tapping in coming years due their plight but with no decisive political roadmap.

 

[Unknown987]

A warm welcome from the ministers participating in the #Paris_meeting to His Highness the Minister of Foreign Affairs, Prince #Faisal_bin_Farhan, and a smile rises above everyone's eyes after the success of efforts to stop the war in #Gaza

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Just noticed from this clip the lady with the red top avoided hand shake with the Arab hijab lady - what a European cow.

 

[tower9]

Yes , another loser of another war where high intelligence equates to failure and defeat. Physically raped by Epsteins' and financially raped by Israelites, fed by AI bots and brainwashed by Fox News lies.

Loser of war? What do you think Gaza is? Hamas is basically destroyed. Gaza doesn’t have one building left. A quarter of its population is under rubble. That’s a victory?

 

[Unknowntruth]

Looks like the ceasefire is official with the war criminal now giving speeches.

With the reputation of the Zionist entity being in shatters on a global scale, probably more than ever, even within the US the tide is slowly but steadily changing, now is the perfect opportunity for all Palestinian political factions to join hands and work out the most realistic and beneficial plan that would ensure a Palestinian statehood.

There is and has always been full backing for this from the Arab and Muslim world, the non-aligned world and major powers like China and Russia. I even believe that India supports a Palestinian state, at least they did for decades historically during the Cold War.

Now the majority of the Western world, excluding AIPAC/Zionist-controlled/influenced US, are even doing the same.

I can't think of a single major country, other than Israel and the US (for now) itself, that is actively working against a Palestinian statehood.

Even changes within Israel itself could occur. I don't think that most Israelis want perpetual war long-term and pursuing unrealistic ideas such as Greater Israel that will never occur. The end of the war (hopefully permanently) could also end up toppling the Israeli regime and getting Netanyahu persecuted domestically and maybe even internationally (ICJ, unlikely).

I know that Fatah is corrupt and Mahmoud Abbas is absolutely useless by large (I don't think that I will offend any Palestinians here by saying this) but the likes of Husam Zomlot (great rhetorically, great grasp of English) gaining power within West Bank/Gaza and pursuing the Palestinian cause internationally would give a much bigger outreach for the cause. Hamas/Fatah/other Palestinian groups don't need to appeal to Arabs or Muslims by large, they need to appeal to Westerners, in particular Americans in order to change political opinion on the ground in the US and eventually ensure US support for a Palestinian state.

A charismatic leader can do wonders if given publicity and space to excel in. Many conflicts have ended partially due to this. Cannot be underestimated.

@Falcon29 @Unknowntruth I would like to hear your opinions about this entire situation if you don't mind. No disrespect to anyone here but Palestinian opinions is what interests me the most for obvious reasons.

I can’t say I’m too optimistic about a Palestinian state.

A Palestinian state has and will always be viewed as an existential threat to Israel. Israel is a very “small land” by Trumps own words. Any well armed motivated militia with modern weapons can easily storm their border checkpoints from West Bank and overpower them. Tel Aviv is less than 30 miles from Ramallah and even smaller to West Bank with only 10 miles apart at its narrowest point.

Most of Israeli land is desert land and they lack fertile land for expansion. This is why they want Hezbollah to move north of Litani river. They want that fertile land. Most of the population centers are in a small narrow silver strip of land from Gaza to south of Lebanon. This is why they have heavily invested in illegal settlements in the West Bank.

Any Palestinian state is considered a threat to them. No way they will willingly allow a state next to them which potentially can overrun them in the future.

Israel needs more water, resources, and fertile land to be able to house a growing population.

The only reason Israel exists is because Israel always had a superior military advantage against Arab states. They have always had air superiority and U.S. backing. If the Arab and Muslim world ever modernize their armies, it will always be the end of Israel. This is why they are looking to expand now because it can’t sustain itself like this.

This is why they gave back the Sinai to Egypt in a “peace” deal. They need habitable land and this is why they will not let the Golan heights go willingly even if any peace deal was ever reached.

Time is always on the time of Palestinians if they can hold off Israeli expansion.

Look below and see how narrow the land is from West Bank to Mediterranean Sea.
@Persian Gulf
@mulj
@Khansaheeb
@clutch
@Mobius
@Falcon29
@Shadi hassan
@Meengla
@RescueRanger
@Musings
@Hassan Al-Somal

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

The Nobel "peace" Prize is a joke. Hopefully, President Maduro will put that evil woman to a permanent rest!

 

[Falcon29]

That's the point. We can't allow this genocide to continue. And can't get let this opportunity go lost.

This is our last chance to have a state. We have to take it. We have to gain independence and declare West Bank and Gaza as our state. And agree to disarm entirely if world recognizes our statehood and enforces it by forcing an Israeli withdrawal.

We have to put pressure on Israeli's now. Israeli's are mostly worried we race towards statehood. This is why they stopped in Gaza to say to Hamas look you can sort of stay in power a little but remain in Gaza and don't push for statehood.

Hamas must not fall for these games or think there's a military solution to conflict moving forward. It has to shock the world and announce it's ready for Palestinian statehood,ready to disarm and dissolve itself under condition Palestinain statehood becomes reality.

We have to get all mediators to make efforts like they are now. Carry the momentum to attain statehood. We aren't going to get a better chance than now. And getting rid of Israel is not realistic. Nor even necessary. Unless they insist on their genocidal and dark path and break this peace deal.

@_Arabia_

I talked about that extensively on pages 80-82..

Agree with your take and also I wouldn't wait on Palestinain factions to make up their mind. I'd pressure them now while we can. Sometimes pressure/guidance is necessary and helps them.

It's also beneficial to all parties involved. Egypt, Lebanon, Iran , Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Syria, etc... it's all beneficial to their security and we don't want these nations subjugated to attack/sanctions because of status quo in conflict. Even for Israeli's if they truly seek to coexist and be accepted in region, they can show that now by accepting two state solution ....

We don't have a problem living alongside Jews we have lived with them for decades, they even used to travel freely into Gaza prior to Oslo Accords period. Now we want to see them extend their hand for peace and show us they're serious and prepared

 

[Falcon29]

Lots of murdered souls being recovered

In areas under IDF control, not those under rubble and not those where IDF remains deployed in

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[Watandar]

Lots of murdered souls being recovered

In areas under IDF control, not those under rubble and not those where IDF remains deployed in

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Have the Israeli attacks stopped ? I had seen a headline where their Cabinet had approved the ceasefire?

 

[Falcon29]

I can’t say I’m too optimistic about a Palestinian state.

A Palestinian state has and will always be viewed as an existential threat to Israel. Israel is a very “small land” by Trumps own words. Any well armed motivated militia with modern weapons can easily storm their border checkpoints from West Bank and overpower them. Tel Aviv is less than 30 miles from Ramallah and even smaller to West Bank with only 10 miles apart at its narrowest point.

Most of Israeli land is desert land and they lack fertile land for expansion. This is why they want Hezbollah to move north of Litani river. They want that fertile land. Most of the population centers are in a small narrow silver strip of land from Gaza to south of Lebanon. This is why they have heavily invested in illegal settlements in the West Bank.

Any Palestinian state is considered a threat to them. No way they will willingly allow a state next to them which potentially can overrun them in the future.

Israel needs more water, resources, and fertile land to be able to house a growing population.

The only reason Israel exists is because Israel always had a superior military advantage against Arab states. They have always had air superiority and U.S. backing. If the Arab and Muslim world ever modernize their armies, it will always be the end of Israel. This is why they are looking to expand now because it can’t sustain itself like this.

This is why they gave back the Sinai to Egypt in a “peace” deal. They need habitable land and this is why they will not let the Golan heights go willingly even if any peace deal was ever reached.

Time is always on the time of Palestinians if they can hold off Israeli expansion.

Look below and see how narrow the land is from West Bank to Mediterranean Sea.
@Persian Gulf
@mulj
@Khansaheeb
@clutch
@Mobius
@Falcon29
@Shadi hassan
@Meengla
@RescueRanger
@Musings
@Hassan Al-Somal

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It all depends on Jewish people showing good will now.

If they choose an escalatory path instead, they'll continue to be isolated and region will grow fed up with them.

We still need peace in Gaza/West Bank for next 10 years by leveraging momentum to secure international pressures/security guarantees. And this also gives time for rest of region to recover. In 10 years lots will have changed. Many nations will grow to become powerful. Turkey - Iran - Saudi Arabia - Egypt

Lebanon and Syria may fully recover by then as well

Israel is not going to recover. There's still so much to uncover in Gaza. We will push to have this genocide recognized on international level and for sanctions/isolation of Israel.

While we also extend our hand for peace.

Ball is now going to be in Israeli court and all pressure on them

 

[Falcon29]

Have the Israeli attacks stopped ? I had seen a headline where their Cabinet had approved the ceasefire?

Just since this morning, only several hours.

They still occupy half of Gaza. And more work is needed to pressure Israel to stop the Holocaust and fully withdraw.

We will know if they mean it after their prisoners are released. Or they escalate against the entire world by trying to exile residents of Gaza .

 

[Unknowntruth]

Israel has a new “upstanding and moral” citizen.

Oops I meant immoral and disgusting.

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[tower9]

Yusuf and Hind and 17,000 other children, each with their own story and tale and family and dreams

We will not forget and we will not forgive.

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More like 250,000 children. They stopped counting after December 2023. Let that sink in.

 

[Falcon29]

Jared Kushner looked very depressed at the Israeli Cabinet meeting yesterday. He doesn't look right.

Maybe people within the Jewish community now realize what they did in Gaza was wrong and they realize the global public opinion shift is not possible to be reversed.

It's not just general public it's also politicians and public speakers/figures going out against Israel. Candace Owens/Charlie Kirk/Tucker Carlson and many more figures.

 

[_Arabia_]

There will be no palestinian state ever until collective muslim hemisphere or formidable block within it can challenge collective west, everything else is illusion in real political lenses.
Palestinians will receive lot of shoulder tapping in coming years due their plight but with no decisive political roadmap.

Collective West, outside of AIPAC/Zionist dominated USA, is slowly but steadily turning away from the actions of the Israel and embracing Palestinian statehood. At least officially.

Israel must have costs

I can’t say I’m too optimistic about a Palestinian state.

A Palestinian state has and will always be viewed as an existential threat to Israel. Israel is a very “small land” by Trumps own words. Any well armed motivated militia with modern weapons can easily storm their border checkpoints from West Bank and overpower them. Tel Aviv is less than 30 miles from Ramallah and even smaller to West Bank with only 10 miles apart at its narrowest point.

Most of Israeli land is desert land and they lack fertile land for expansion. This is why they want Hezbollah to move north of Litani river. They want that fertile land. Most of the population centers are in a small narrow silver strip of land from Gaza to south of Lebanon. This is why they have heavily invested in illegal settlements in the West Bank.

Any Palestinian state is considered a threat to them. No way they will willingly allow a state next to them which potentially can overrun them in the future.

Israel needs more water, resources, and fertile land to be able to house a growing population.

The only reason Israel exists is because Israel always had a superior military advantage against Arab states. They have always had air superiority and U.S. backing. If the Arab and Muslim world ever modernize their armies, it will always be the end of Israel. This is why they are looking to expand now because it can’t sustain itself like this.

This is why they gave back the Sinai to Egypt in a “peace” deal. They need habitable land and this is why they will not let the Golan heights go willingly even if any peace deal was ever reached.

Time is always on the time of Palestinians if they can hold off Israeli expansion.

Look below and see how narrow the land is from West Bank to Mediterranean Sea.
@Persian Gulf
@mulj
@Khansaheeb
@clutch
@Mobius
@Falcon29
@Shadi hassan
@Meengla
@RescueRanger
@Musings
@Hassan Al-Somal

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I understand your pessimism fully and I myself am not overly optimistic but I have seen tangible changes among the Westerners in regards to how they view Israel, most importantly within the US itself. This cannot be underestimated. Similarly politically within Western European states (those that matter) where Arab and Muslim communities have been very active in protesting/putting pressure and focus on the Palestinian issue and the war crimes of Israel. Who would have thought just a few years ago that so many countries would be recognizing Palestine?

I think that there is definitely an awakening globally among even conservative Westerners who cannot any longer make excuses for the inexcusable.

You also agree with what I have always been saying, namely that Israel is just an extension of the US. Without the US they would not last very long let alone doing what they have been doing for the past many decades and in particular the past 2 years.

If opinion polls in the US are changing this much in disfavor of Israel and this amounts to concrete changes on the ground (different US foreign policy and how they approach Israel) they will have to make compromises and the Palestinian position will gain in strength.

As for a two-state solution or one-state solution, as I wrote earlier, Zomlot mentioned that most Palestinian academics, political leaders pre-1967 were in favor of 1 state with equal rights and a right of return. Either way you look at it, if this horrible genocide in Gaza could not succeed in chasing/throwing Gazans out of Gaza, how likely do you think it will be for the Zionists to remove 7-8 million Palestinians from Palestine/Israel proper? No neighboring Arab state will accept this or take those Palestinians willingly. Millions of Palestinians already are living in Lebanon, Jordan, KSA and Egypt next door. So I consider it unrealistic if not outright impossible. Same with the nonsense of this "Greater Israel". They don't have the power or population to even inhabit such a large region and locals will never accept it.

Anyway what do you think will happen in 1 years time? Will we finally see all warring Palestinian factions uniting for the goal of establishing/working towards a Palestinian state?

Also don't you believe that the likes of Abbas should have stepped down long ago? I honestly don't know what his achievements have been in the past 20 years if any. Hamas, whatever you might think of them, have actually tried to do something to change status quo militarily. Not to mention that Gaza has been cut off (largely) from the world for the past 20 years given the illegal blockade.

 

[tower9]

Looks like the ceasefire is official with the war criminal now giving speeches.

With the reputation of the Zionist entity being in shatters on a global scale, probably more than ever, even within the US the tide is slowly but steadily changing, now is the perfect opportunity for all Palestinian political factions to join hands and work out the most realistic and beneficial plan that would ensure a Palestinian statehood.

There is and has always been full backing for this from the Arab and Muslim world, the non-aligned world and major powers like China and Russia. I even believe that India supports a Palestinian state, at least they did for decades historically during the Cold War.

Now the majority of the Western world, excluding AIPAC/Zionist-controlled/influenced US, are even doing the same.

I can't think of a single major country, other than Israel and the US (for now) itself, that is actively working against a Palestinian statehood.

Even changes within Israel itself could occur. I don't think that most Israelis want perpetual war long-term and pursuing unrealistic ideas such as Greater Israel that will never occur. The end of the war (hopefully permanently) could also end up toppling the Israeli regime and getting Netanyahu persecuted domestically and maybe even internationally (ICJ, unlikely).

I know that Fatah is corrupt and Mahmoud Abbas is absolutely useless by large (I don't think that I will offend any Palestinians here by saying this) but the likes of Husam Zomlot (great rhetorically, great grasp of English) gaining power within West Bank/Gaza and pursuing the Palestinian cause internationally would give a much bigger outreach for the cause. Hamas/Fatah/other Palestinian groups don't need to appeal to Arabs or Muslims by large, they need to appeal to Westerners, in particular Americans in order to change political opinion on the ground in the US and eventually ensure US support for a Palestinian state.

A charismatic leader can do wonders if given publicity and space to excel in. Many conflicts have ended partially due to this. Cannot be underestimated.

@Falcon29 @Unknowntruth I would like to hear your opinions about this entire situation if you don't mind. No disrespect to anyone here but Palestinian opinions is what interests me the most for obvious reasons.

The Palestinians need a disciplined and NON violent form of resistance. That's the only way to go against an enemy that is many times more powerful than you.