Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[PakFactor]

Who is he blaming? He needs to blame himself too. Turks handed over Palestine to the British and now they owe the Palestinians freedom.

The Turks were in a difficult position; they lost World War I due to combined Allied efforts against them and the Arab rebellion in the South. They did what they felt was reasonable to salvage Turkey's present-day borders. Had they not, we might not have the Turkey we see today, but a much smaller union that would have been further carved.

Understanding the situation will take a deep study; even to this day, I'm studying it, and one link leads me to another. Even young Arabs today think they know but do not know their past leaders. For example, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a British-created post, and they installed their own man; he, too, refused to sign the White Papers in 1940, for selfish reasons as he was not placed as head of a future Palestinian state modeled after the independence of Iraq; eventually, he agreed to it. There were many selfish reasons for others who signed various agreements.

You will be surprised that it wasn't just the Hejazi Hashemite Family that joined with the British; even within present-day Jerusalem, it's prominent and influential families, such as al-Khalidi Family, descendants of Khalid Ibn-Waleed, this family along with the al-Husayni family descendants of the son of Ali sided with the British and asked their followers to take up arms against fellow Muslims. You had the Nashashibi family given preferential treatment by the Ottomans for generations given land, wealth and positions of power, and some family members went on to betray the Ottomans. While they come from sacred bloodlines, it doesn't take much to become namak haramis; it's why I don't place much value on bloodlines, even if an individual is Syed. Hence, I have always said that it just takes one leader's bad decision to make the next generations suffer or one good decision for future generations to prosper.

 

[Meengla]

Meanwhile, US was taking so many actions (like supplying Israel with daily loads of bombs delivered by US military planes + protecting Israel at the UN and in the media + giving Israel political and military advice and money- $18bn, military assistance-like intercepting Iranian missiles flying towards Israel, etc. on and on and on) that would lead to a regional war! The US govt frequently says one thing, and does another thing, and meanwhile, it knows Israel is guilty of genocide, because its ok being its accomplice to it.

I know what you are saying but this contradiction in the American policy is well noted by analysts: Not wanting a regional war is not the same as supplying Israel the weaponry. Trust me: If the Americans really wanted a regional war then it would have happened months ago. A regional war is not in the American interests and almost certainly there is no 'victory' but plenty of body bags for the Americans to take home.
What I am able to tell from multiple analysts is that it is Biden himself who is personally a Zionist to his core and has basically let Sullivan, Blinken run with the Middle East policies while Pentagon/CIA are trying to put some brakes on.
I am not defending Biden--I hate him just as much as I hate Netanyahu--but mentioning the contradiction in the American policy which, I think, will resolve one way or another after the US elections.

 

[PakAl]

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Egypt already knows this, just before Gaza war Egyptian minister announced they will sacrifice millions to defend their territory, this was aimed at Israel and Egypt knows the plans of the zionist. They just don't have the courage to do anything about it except make statements, Gaza and WestBank should have been protected by Jordan and Egypt, once Israel has finished resistance they will then plot against Jordan and Sinai, maybe we will witness attacks on Israel and they will then find excuses to invade these new threats and annex. At the moment egypt is strong but the plans must be to cause civil wars in these 2 nations, make them weak and then use that to take more territory.

 

[PakAl]

The Turks were in a difficult position; they lost World War I due to combined Allied efforts against them and the Arab rebellion in the South. They did what they felt was reasonable to salvage Turkey's present-day borders. Had they not, we might not have the Turkey we see today, but a much smaller union that would have been further carved.

Understanding the situation will take a deep study; even to this day, I'm studying it, and one link leads me to another. Even young Arabs today think they know but do not know their past leaders. For example, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was a British-created post, and they installed their own man; he, too, refused to sign the White Papers in 1940, for selfish reasons as he was not placed as head of a future Palestinian state modeled after the independence of Iraq; eventually, he agreed to it. There were many selfish reasons for others who signed various agreements.

You will be surprised that it wasn't just the Hejazi Hashemite Family that joined with the British; even within present-day Jerusalem, it's prominent and influential families, such as al-Khalidi Family, descendants of Khalid Ibn-Waleed, this family along with the al-Husayni family descendants of the son of Ali sided with the British and asked their followers to take up arms against fellow Muslims. You had the Nashashibi family given preferential treatment by the Ottomans for generations given land, wealth and positions of power, and some family members went on to betray the Ottomans. While they come from sacred bloodlines, it doesn't take much to become namak haramis; it's why I don't place much value on bloodlines, even if an individual is Syed. Hence, I have always said that it just takes one leader's bad decision to make the next generations suffer or one good decision for future generations to prosper.

Don't forget the AlSaud and Al Sheikh families history aswell, they rebelled against the Ottomans, declared them as non muslims, kafirs, mushriks and used this to wage jihad against them, this furture weakened the Ottomans. The Arabs promoted Arab nationalism, then pumped 100B + towards Arab nationalist religious sect, destroyed and weaken the Muslims more. Today we have 100+ Jihadi organisations around the Muslim world, all fighting against the Muslim governments but no action against the zionists, all these organisations belong to Arab nationalist sect which was given petrodollars.

 

[PakAl]

Who is he blaming? He needs to blame himself too. Turks handed over Palestine to the British and now they owe the Palestinians freedom.

Turks lost in WW1, they didn't just hand it over, even today Turkey territory was occupied by the allies.

 

[Meengla]

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Won't surprise me one bit Mossad has some 'file' on Mike Pence--and on many other notables. Whatever CIA and many Western intelligence have, Mossad can have.

 

[PakFactor]

Don't forget the AlSaud and Al Sheikh families history aswell, they rebelled against the Ottomans, declared them as non muslims, kafirs, mushriks and used this to wage jihad against them, this furture weakened the Ottomans. The Arabs promoted Arab nationalism, then pumped 100B + towards Arab nationalist religious sect, destroyed and weaken the Muslims more. Today we have 100+ Jihadi organisations around the Muslim world, all fighting against the Muslim governments but no action against the zionists, all these organisations belong to Arab nationalist sect which was given petrodollars.

We are our own worst enemy.

 

[PakAl]

We are our own worst enemy.

We had a strong Libya, look who destroyed it? Has the situation gone better, Iraq, Yemen, Syria all destroyed through foreign sponsored wars. People are getting happy with Yemen and Iraqi rebels threatening israel but the reality is those nations are weak and divided just how it suits the zionists. Lebanon is divided, half of its Christians and half Muslims, Muslims are divided aswell. The Arabs spread anti Ottoman propaganda, helped the allies destroy them and today are suffering themselves. Even if Turkey, Iran, Pakistan send 1M army to help Lebanon/Gaza, it will be a failure but these same people will go against them after 20 years, just like Syrian army was kicked out from Lebanon, they were labelled as occupiers. So I guess your spot on, we are our worse enemies, it's all jahalat. I always say how it benefitted the Arabs for kicking Turks out, they call them evil and occupiers but the zionist showed them who is evil and occupier.

 

[PakAl]

I want to see a defence treaty between Jordan and Egypt, to make sure they back each other if any civil war happens or foreign invasion, they should also take over the security of Gaza and WestBank. Gaza was part of Egypt and WestBank was part of Jordan so it's nothing new for them. This will bring peace in the region and then just wait till the tables are turned or stick with the stalemate.

 

[Ravenman]

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Hopefully the zionists lose their head and kill those Unifil troops. 10.000 bodybags from 50 different countries. What a disaster.

It would demolish the already decreased PR of 'the most moral army of the world' and push all those countries to action.

 

[hussain0216]

We had a strong Libya, look who destroyed it? Has the situation gone better, Iraq, Yemen, Syria all destroyed through foreign sponsored wars. People are getting happy with Yemen and Iraqi rebels threatening israel but the reality is those nations are weak and divided just how it suits the zionists. Lebanon is divided, half of its Christians and half Muslims, Muslims are divided aswell. The Arabs spread anti Ottoman propaganda, helped the allies destroy them and today are suffering themselves. Even if Turkey, Iran, Pakistan send 1M army to help Lebanon/Gaza, it will be a failure but these same people will go against them after 20 years, just like Syrian army was kicked out from Lebanon, they were labelled as occupiers. So I guess your spot on, we are our worse enemies, it's all jahalat. I always say how it benefitted the Arabs for kicking Turks out, they call them evil and occupiers but the zionist showed them who is evil and occupier.

Same situation with some Baloch and pashtun tribals, decades after decade will pass and they will still spread their ethnocentric fassad backed by unseen foreign powers to create division and chaos

 

[Meengla]

We had a strong Libya, look who destroyed it? Has the situation gone better, Iraq, Yemen, Syria all destroyed through foreign sponsored wars. People are getting happy with Yemen and Iraqi rebels threatening israel but the reality is those nations are weak and divided just how it suits the zionists. Lebanon is divided, half of its Christians and half Muslims, Muslims are divided aswell. The Arabs spread anti Ottoman propaganda, helped the allies destroy them and today are suffering themselves. Even if Turkey, Iran, Pakistan send 1M army to help Lebanon/Gaza, it will be a failure but these same people will go against them after 20 years, just like Syrian army was kicked out from Lebanon, they were labelled as occupiers. So I guess your spot on, we are our worse enemies, it's all jahalat. I always say how it benefitted the Arabs for kicking Turks out, they call them evil and occupiers but the zionist showed them who is evil and occupier.

I want to see a defence treaty between Jordan and Egypt, to make sure they back each other if any civil war happens or foreign invasion, they should also take over the security of Gaza and WestBank. Gaza was part of Egypt and WestBank was part of Jordan so it's nothing new for them. This will bring peace in the region and then just wait till the tables are turned or stick with the stalemate.

Turkey's fate was sealed with or without the few Arab tribes rebelling against them. I think it was @Unknowntruth who many months ago, described in some details what happened during WW One. This 'betrayal' narrative is a cop-out by the modern Turks and their defenders here. Turkey was going to lose and it lost. In wars, there are winners and losers. Germany was a mighty power but lost twice.
But what's more pertinent to this conflict and indeed most recent is the Turks, the GCC, the Americans working as a team to topple Assad; that was clearly going to benefit Israel and has benefited Israel. So forget the damn 100+ year old history about the so-called 'betrayal': Talk about what's now! There were many idiots in the old PDF championing the 'freedom and democracy' or the 'Arab Spring' BS coming to Syria in 2011 while some of us clearly saw toppling of Assad would benefit Israel.

 

[PakAl]

Same situation with some Baloch and pashtun tribals, decades after decade will pass and they will still spread their ethnocentric fassad backed by unseen foreign powers to create division and chaos

The government also failed to protect its people, to give justice to them, security, jobs etc. Foreign agencies exploit these type of situations. Libya was like Dubai but look how they destroyed it, through Jihadis, once the jihadis were loosing the war, they prayed for Nato no fly zone, they requested the same in Syria but Russia got involved so the plan flopped. So at times the government shares responsibility but then at times it's clearly the people fault.

 

[Indos]

Turkey's fate was sealed with or without the few Arab tribes rebelling against them. I think it was @Unknowntruth who many months ago, described in some details what happened during WW One. This 'betrayal' narrative is a cop-out by the modern Turks and their defenders here. Turkey was going to lose and it lost. In wars, there are winners and losers. Germany was a mighty power but lost twice.
But what's more pertinent to this conflict and indeed most recent is the Turks, the GCC, the Americans working as a team to topple Assad; that was clearly going to benefit Israel and has benefited Israel. So forget the damn 100+ year old history about the so-called 'betrayal': Talk about what's now! There were many idiots in the old PDF championing the 'freedom and democracy' or the 'Arab Spring' BS coming to Syria in 2011 while some of us clearly saw toppling of Assad would benefit Israel.

The one that idiot is Bashar Al Assad. Dont be two faces. As Pakistani you dont want authoritarian regime, so expect other human being wants the same as well.

Be fair as person as it is part of what God wants us to do

 

[Meengla]

The one that idiot is Bashar Al Assad. Dont be two faces. As Pakistani you dont want authoritarian regime, so expect other human being wants the same

I am not two faces. There are other 'authoritarian regimes' all over the world but the toppling of Assad had everything to do with the Syrian role in the 2006 war between Hezbollah-Israel. EVERYTHING!