Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[mulj]

But there has been a consistent and historical Jewish presence in Palestine. Even in the early 20th century,they were about 1/3 of the population.


Evangelicals aren't necessarily white and they are mostly American.


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He can't leave? Maybe because of the Israeli oppression? Are you kidding me? Remember when the IDF was besieging Arafat's office in Ramallah? In your opinion,in order for them to be taken seriously,they should be launching dumb attacks that have no strategic significance,but on the contrary are the cause of heavy reprisals by the yahood?


You're an idiot for even saying that. And @UKBengali you're naive for agreeing with him. You're saying I'm dishonest? If I was dishonest,I would have come here and cheering Hamas like an American liberal campus student. I'm giving you an honest and personal opinion. The fact that for you,everything Hamas does is a rainbow of human kindness and love,that means you are being dishonest and not me.

Hamas has been acting like a gang,running Gaza like a mafia organization for 14 years. They are ruthless and selfish. All they care about is having a Palestine under their rule.


Captain Obvious,we all know that Netanyahu wants to see Palestinians kicked out or exterminated. My point is there have been other governments ever since Hamas was formed and ever since Hamas took power. Likud wasn't the only party ruling the country,yet Hamas ideology is "flstn from the river to the see,no zews,no zews,kick all the zews". If Likud is "Khamash and balastinians kol terrorists",then Hamas' is "we want all of it or nothing".

And you're destroying your own argument right now,because when you say Likud and Netanyahu represent the wil of the Israeli people,doesn't that mean that Hamas represents the will of the Palestinian people? You're making your own argument worse.



Hold on a second there. Where exactly did you see me mention Erdogan or Turkey here? And where did you see me defending Israeli actions?

Are you seeing things? Imagining stuff? Are you on acid? Mulj says something dumb and you expand on it and make it sound like fact? Go on and show me where the f did I defend Israeli war crimes or where did I even mention Turkey on this thread?


The MB are radicals who have been messing up entire countries,historically trying to seize power with violence or other means. Not everything revolves around Turkey,you know. Just giving you a heads up,because it seems you're obsessed with your Ottoman past. The Muslim Brotherhood has been a threat to numerous countries that have a secular,Panarabist or mild islamic character.

You are dumb and malicious, nothing extreme in MB, normal political party, western ones are much worse.

 

[Meengla]

Are you seeing things? Imagining stuff? Are you on acid? Mulj says something dumb and you expand on it and make it sound like fact? Go on and show me where the f did I defend Israeli war crimes or where did I even mention Turkey on this thread?

Oh, my bad, engaging with an obvious hypocrite like you. I now remember calling you a 'hypocrite' in the old PDF on this thread.
Yes, you may 'condemn' Netanyahu and Israel here and there to appear 'balanced' but the overwhelming condemnation from you is against the Palestinians--and that's not hard to tell. And @mulj is right: Your bias is coming from your anti-Turkey feelings and while you may not have said anti-Turkey in this thread in the new PDF, your previous posts don't hide that. Similar to you, occasionally Indians popup here and even bring Pakistan bashing in this thread, except, unlike you, they are less careful.
You are going to be the guy #4 on my Ignore list after this. Enjoy hypocrisy and obfuscation!

 

[Meengla]

You are dumb and malicious, nothing extreme in MB, normal political party, western ones are much worse.

Correct.
I have seen videos of social life in Gaza prior to this conflict and I didn't see a repressive regime like the Taliban have. Whatever tight control existed in Gaza is because of the war-like situation there for decades--Israeli spies and informers.

 

[Flotilla]

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They seem Shahed 131 which are considerably smaller. Aren´t they?.

 

[PakAl]

Correct.
I have seen videos of social life in Gaza prior to this conflict and I didn't see a repressive regime like the Taliban have. Whatever tight control existed in Gaza is because of the war-like situation there for decades--Israeli spies and informers.

Gaza is like a ghetto, it's completely isolated place. The hypocrisy is Israel is responsible for the situation and then complains about what comes out of there, what do they expect? They starve a population, control its supplies, kill them at will and they expect popcorns to come out of it.

 

[Flotilla]

The headline at Times of Israel right now. What a day for Palestine! The so-called 'The Last outpost of the West in the Middle East' is bitch-slapped by some in the West itself.

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We spaniards believe in the freedom of Palestine. Moreover, when US loose the arms race against China and Russia, there won´t be enough money for subsidizing the israeli independence. At that point each muslim believer will pay back the nefarious crimes of Israel. Be patient, friends, their time will come. There are not enough money for feeding sharks everywhere.

 

[UKBengali]

But there has been a consistent and historical Jewish presence in Palestine. Even in the early 20th century,they were about 1/3 of the population.

No you have been reading some biased Zionist sources it seems.

The historical Jewish population for over a millenum has been 5-10% of the population. I think it was something like 7% at the start of WW1.

Only when the British took over then that 5-10% became 1/3rd by WW2 as they allowed in hundreds of thousands of European Jews to immigrate from after WW1 to just before WW2.

Small Jewish population that has had continued presence in Palestine for millenia is fine but not these imports that turned up from the time when the British took over.

 

[BHAN85]

Care to explain? Unanimous consensus is the rich, powerful Jewish friends in America in platforms like AIPAC are probably the number one supporters of Israel outside of Israel. What you are saying contradicts all widely held opinions, including by Max Blumenthal, John Mearsheimer and Norman Finklestein.

There are a lot of reasons, but it was talking in that post about Germany recognition of ICC chase order against Bibi.

Europe has not own foreign policy, they take USA orders, so that is a USA order.

Yesterday Zelensky came to Spain to get one billion dollars of military aid, it was not discussed in the Spain congress, so it must be direct USA orders.

USA orders to Europe is suicide themselves against Russia in Ukraine, and harassing Israel through ICC, Palestinian state recognition and so on.

By the other side, it's not a secret that George Soros is a very influent person in USA politics, and he is a known anti-zionist.

Soros talk like a goddam ruler, here a example of a article of him in 2015 about USA China relations:

A Partnership with China to Avoid World War

International cooperation is in decline both in the political and financial spheres. The UN has failed to address any of the major conflicts since the end of the cold war; the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference left a sour aftertaste; the World Trade Organization hasn’t concluded a major...

www.georgesoros.com

Of course, USA publicly is a friend of Israel and Israel has a lot of real friends in USA.

But I'm talking about high important decisions of USA, the kind of decisions that make Europe send military help to Zelensky, or to instigate harassing against Israel to keep the conflict burning in ME, the kind of decisions that it could start future bigger wars.

 

[Meengla]

We spaniards believe in the freedom of Palestine. Moreover, when US loose the arms race against China and Russia, there won´t be enough money for subsidizing the israeli independence. At that point each muslim believer will pay back the nefarious crimes of Israel. Be patient, friends, their time will come. There are not enough money for feeding sharks everywhere.

Spain will earn a lot of respect from the MENA region and from the Islamic countries. Look at how well the Irish and the South African remember the support the Palestinians once gave to them in whatever means they could have. Karma can be a bitch but it can also be a blessing!

On a larger theme: Don't fall into the xenophobia paddled by the Neo Cons about the invasion of Europe by the Muslims: Europe will NEED immigrants, just like America needs it and Canada needs it and several other countries need them. The ultimate 'resource' will be human beings themselves! Europe needs to move away from the American Neo Cons World Order where they ignite conflicts and make $$ and watch the burning from a distance. If Europe doesn't then it will continue to have wave of refugees/migrants un unplanned ways.

Copying your fellow Spaniard: @BHAN85 who also knows the dangers to Europe posed by the Neo Cons.

 

[Solomon2]

“The court considers that in conformity with obligations under the Genocide Convention, Israel must immediately halt its military offensive and any other action in the Rafah governorate which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part,” the court’s president, Nawaf Salam, said in reading the ruling.

...Like most rulings from The Hague, this one will be ignored. Israel rightly says it is already in compliance with the court’s wishes—its Rafah offensive isn’t genocidal, so it need not be halted. No state in Israel’s place could do otherwise.

The ICJ also orders Israel to open the Rafah border crossing from Egypt. For weeks Israel has been begging Egypt to open that crossing. But since Israel, not Hamas, now controls Gaza’s side of the border, Egypt had refused, holding up 2,000 aid trucks. Only after President Biden called Egypt’s President on Friday did Cairo agree to reopen the crossing. But why was the ICJ blaming Israel?

A dissent on the court is notable. “The Court’s jurisdiction is limited to the Genocide Convention,” writes Julia Sebutinde of Uganda, and “there are no indicators of a genocidal intent on the part of Israel.” The ICJ case brought by South Africa includes examples of allegedly genocidal rhetoric from Israel, but her rejoinder is highly effective.

“The vast majority of the statements referred to the destruction of Hamas and not the Palestinian people,” she says. A few “renegade statements” by uninvolved officials were “highly criticized by the Israeli Government itself.” She finds that “South Africa has either placed the quotations out of context or simply misunderstood,” but also suggests another motive: “South Africa, and in particular certain organs of government, have enjoyed and continue to enjoy a cordial relationship with the leadership of Hamas.”

The inversion of international law is something to behold: Hamas slaughters Israeli civilians and hides behind its own so that Israel stands accused. The ICJ’s presiding judge is Lebanon’s Nawaf Salam, whose bias is outrageous. He has denounced Israel for decades and is active in Lebanese politics, having twice been a candidate for prime minister since joining the bench in The Hague.

The transparent nature of the ICJ ruling has the benefit of making it easier to dismiss. Israel is advancing in Rafah and intends to halt in a few weeks when the job is done. Only when Hamas is defeated in Rafah can war in Gaza ebb.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/another-anti-israel-ruling-in-the-hague-83a33a4e?st=09fjb2qa3ff2j8y&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

 

[Meengla]

A dissent on the court is notable. “The Court’s jurisdiction is limited to the Genocide Convention,” writes Julia Sebutinde of Uganda, and “there are no indicators of a genocidal intent on the part of Israel.” The ICJ case brought by South Africa includes examples of allegedly genocidal rhetoric from Israel, but her rejoinder is highly effective.

You are grasping at the straws if you are going to bring ONE lone dissenting vote from the Ugandan lady and per my understanding she was very 'compromised' herself and later chided by the Ugandan govt.

 

[TopGun786]

But Hamas are terrorists. They are an extremist group. A branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. The fact that Netanyahu and his friends have been demolishing Gaza and killing tens of thousands of Palestinians the last 6 months,doesn't mean that Hamas isn't a terrorist organization. They are both evil.

No they are NOT same.
Hamas is just a resistance movement came into being after years and years of oppression and genocide of local Palestinians.
Don't hide behind the words.

 

[TopGun786]

They are butchers who don't care about their own civilians. If you can't see that,it's a pity. They run Gaza like a mafia. They brutally fought against Fatah in 2008 and they betrayed some of their supporters like Syria and Iran back in 2011-2012 when the war in Syria started. Just because the IDF has been exterminating the Palestinians in Gaza,doesn't mean Hamas is a benevolent or heroic "freedom fighter" organization.

Shut up.

 

[fitpOsitive]

Europe invented the hebrew language and jewish identity? You're missing a few thousand years of history. Put the yiddish and Ladino aside,the Jewish identity and language has existed for thousands of years. That's a historical fact.
When you and the others go on ranting about "white European settlers",it offends everyone on the forum who's from Europe. Imagine if one would go like "you southeast asian muzzies always terrorists" or "Europe's problem is the brown people coming from the subcontinent hur dur"...you understand how that sounds now?

Yes they did it. Here you go:

 

[fitpOsitive]

Europe invented the hebrew language and jewish identity? You're missing a few thousand years of history. Put the yiddish and Ladino aside,the Jewish identity and language has existed for thousands of years. That's a historical fact.
When you and the others go on ranting about "white European settlers",it offends everyone on the forum who's from Europe. Imagine if one would go like "you southeast asian muzzies always terrorists" or "Europe's problem is the brown people coming from the subcontinent hur dur"...you understand how that sounds now?

I never used the Word "white".
Yes, a lange number is white, but not all of them.