Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Musings]

LOLs. Only when the UN members getting drunk they will issue such a resolution to recommend Israel to dismiss and have their citizen mass migrate overseas.

And only when Israel government get drunk they will instruct their citizens to refuge.

Besides, who will accept 6 million refuge from Israel? LOL

See ... why is their aspiration won't work .... because thats totally insane and irrational.

Israel has killed 30,000 innocent civilians and are ethnic cleansing the Gaza Strip. Over 60% of Israeli have dual passports - we both know why.
Wiping out hospitals - bombing refugee camps - committing genocide - wholesale war crimes. As an occupier you will always have resistance. When you see a child having his legs blown away - what goes through your head?

 

[Armageddon]

Look at the trade/commerce statistics of Pakistan, Pakistan's debt, Pakistan's population, Pakistan's lack of resources (yes!), and a powerful neighbor to Pakistan's east breathing down Pakistan, waiting for any opportunity to strike then you'd know why Pakistan can't do much for Palestinians. A miscalculation by Pakistan, without a Sugar Daddy, would result in many millions unemployed in Pakistan, cursing whoever would be in power for such geopolitical move.

If the rich GCC Arabs can't put their necks out then how come Pakistan??

Having said that, a Palestinian journalist in Pakistan was seen after October 7 saying something like 'I know even if the whole world abandons Palestinians, Pakistani govt and the people would never abandon us'. He is probably correct. Recently, Jackson Hinkle asked on Twitter to tell commentors where they were from and from my reading the dozens of responses, about one-third were from Pakistan!!!

I am aware that Pakistan cannot get it's head up because of the economic debt shackles we are in but we don't have a lack of resources. We have a lack of goodwill and good intentions.

The thing is rich GCC Arabs are deceived by the life of this world, we Pakistanis don't have much to lose. What good are these millions of people anyway?? They aren't inventing anything.

The people responsible (leaders) of Muslim countries will have to answer in front of Allah SWT as to why they didn't do anything as Quran clearly mentions to put your faith in Allah and go to fight when Muslims are being driven out of their homes and women and children are getting ruthlessly murdered.

Having said that we know that the Christian and Jewish Zionists actions are motivated by their prophecies. Whether we like it or not but it's my gut feeling that a big war is looming over our heads and we will have no option but to risk it all and fight till the end.

 

[VCheng]

When you see a child having his legs blown away - what goes through your head?

What I do feel about that cannot be said, it is so extreme.

Let me just say that the children are truly the innocents. The adults can argue till they are blue in the fact who is right or who is wrong, but the children do not know anything about such matters. No matter what, they deserve protection and nurturing.

NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE. EVER. ANYWHERE.

 

[Armageddon]

how about brothers, the Saudis UAE Qatar Kuwait talk less and take more action? Obviously the Saudis others can cut off the oil supply but they are addicted to U$ dollar$, as they have betrayed Islam and the Palestinians

Where is Erdohan, just moving his lips, little mouse is a bit afraid, or very controlled.

why is Azerbaijan selling oil to Israel thru Turkey?

Then we ask Pakistan and others what did you do during Gaza genocide?

That's the thing, the thing we are missing in unity, leadership and courage. We are Muslims first and then our nationalities come into picture. It's not about what others are not doing, it's about what we can do. The biggest Jewish conspiracy was to divide Muslims and beat them one by one. If they can conspire against us then what good use we are putting our brains to??

And I do think that as a state Pakistan has alot of abilities and ways that it can use to atleast to something...

 

[Musings]

My army? What have I said here that is defending genocide? Please do explain your comment, thanks.

Yaar I replied to u in error - apologies sir!!

 

[VCheng]

Yaar I replied to u in error - apologies sir!!

No worries, I knew that but I wanted to clarify. No apologies needed. We need to show the way polite discussions are done in this new PDF. You and I have our differences too, just so that everyone knows, but not here.

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Children are indeed the future. They MUST be protected and nurtured. The saddest part is that they pay the worst price for the adult's mistakes and prejudices and wars.

 

[Peregrine]

I have a theory about why the GCC is so quiet.

After the Shale Gas revolution in America the past decade. US dependency on GCC oil has been drastically reduced. This has emboldened the zionist policy makers in Washington, to seek a more pro-Israeli stance from GCC.

GCC was probably threatened behind the doors. Either you support Israel, Or you are left alone to deal with Iran and Muslim Brotherhood. We need to remind you what happened in Egypt and Mubarak?

Lets face it, no one else than the US can, or, has the power to provide security to these despotic kingdoms. Thats why they are silent. Its the price to pay for being lazy and drunk on oil money for almost 80 years.

Had the previous Saudi kings invested in human developement, diversifying the economy and manufacturing. They would have much more leverage. Saudi might even have had the technology to balance Iran on its own.

 

[Peregrine]

It's not about accepting refugees, it's about taking the Jews back

The Europeans had numerous pogroms and a Holocaust against the Jews

Wherever the Jews went, they created so hatred for themselves that the local populations tried to destroy them

They have done the same thing in the middle east where the region despises Jews

The Europeans dumped these Jews in the middle east because they didn't want them in Europe, they can't remain in the middle east

Its the nepotism that created some of the disturbance in the societies.

But to be fair, many pogrom were instilled by feudal kings, which is a fancy word for warlordism. Because they borrowed money from Jews, as money-lending was prohibited in Christianity. When the dukes, lords and kings could no longer afford to repay the loan, they began purging jews, by directing the peasentry and blaming their misery on jews.

 

[moonaman.varavayi]

Is this authentic? Most of this sounds like "Blood libel", sometimes verbatim.

Blood libel

Please provide some confirmation (anything, really) for this video.

@RescueRanger : Since you did not respond, I am assuming that the video (audio, rather) is fake and malicious propaganda.

I wish you had either provided confirmation, or admitted that there isn't any. It is unbecoming of titled members to propagate such vile content that is clearly intended to demonize a particular group.

 

[UKBengali]

Great post.
Scott Ritter is unabashedly supporting the Hamas attack on October 7 and refuses to call them anything but 'free fighters'. He says that maybe, after the initial entry to Israel, a few rogue elements--probably common Gazans with desire for vengeance, may have killed a few civilians but the Hamas attack was about killing IDF soldiers and taking as many civilian hostages as possible. There was no time to pussyfoot around as they knew the IDF will be coming for them in full force; and yet people think there were rapes etc. Also, let's remember that unless the civilians are very old or very young, they are likely to be IDF Reservists--the same forces which are forming the bulk of the massacre in Gaza; they were NOT the 'civilians' as we know most of the world!

Some of the testimonies from the festival "massacre" openly admit that some festival participants had guns in their vehicles and were firing on Hamas fighters.

In this case, they automatically lose their "civilian" status and become armed combatants for Hamas to use lethal force against.

It is clear that any war crimes that happened from the Gaza side that day were very few and were rogue elements of either Hamas and/or enraged civilians who released pent-up anger for decades of oppression. That is not to excuse the few war crimes committed but to put it into context of the conflict that has been ongoing for over a century since the UK opened up the floodgates to Zionist immigration into Palestine.

Hamas's goal was to force surrender at the military bases and armed Kibbutz and any that resisted were dealt with according to the laws of war.

This pathetic narrative of a "pogrom" against Jews on October 7th only has traction in the Zionist infested west. No-one else takes this accusation seriously.

 

[marj786]

I have a theory about why the GCC is so quiet.

After the Shale Gas revolution in America the past decade. US dependency on GCC oil has been drastically reduced. This has emboldened the zionist policy makers in Washington, to seek a more pro-Israeli stance from GCC.

GCC was probably threatened behind the doors. Either you support Israel, Or you are left alone to deal with Iran and Muslim Brotherhood. We need to remind you what happened in Egypt and Mubarak?

Lets face it, no one else than the US can, or, has the power to provide security to these despotic kingdoms. Thats why they are silent. Its the price to pay for being lazy and drunk on oil money for almost 80 years.

Had the previous Saudi kings invested in human developement, diversifying the economy and manufacturing. They would have much more leverage. Saudi might even have had the technology to balance Iran on its own.

I disagree on the point that GCC fears Iran because look at military budgets of GCC and Iran. Fear of Iran is created by western media .
I think the GCC has no morality and they won't wake up until they are attack. They are happy with status co, they are having a luxurious life what more they need

 

[Peregrine]

I disagree on the point that GCC fears Iran because look at military budgets of GCC and Iran. Fear of Iran is created by western media .
I think the GCC has no morality and they won't wake up until they are attack. They are happy with status co, they are having a luxurious life what more they need

Saudi spent so much resources fighting the houthis. Which demonstarte their fear of Iran.

But yeah, its a interesting topic , probably better suited for discussion in a seprate thread.

 

[Meengla]

I am aware that Pakistan cannot get it's head up because of the economic debt shackles we are in but we don't have a lack of resources. We have a lack of goodwill and good intentions.

The thing is rich GCC Arabs are deceived by the life of this world, we Pakistanis don't have much to lose. What good are these millions of people anyway?? They aren't inventing anything.

Pakistan is a resource-starved country: Not only in 'human resources' but also in natural resources when you factor in the large population. Add to that, Pakistan is facing an enemy which is very powerful and hugs Pakistan's eastern border for a thousand+ miles. Let's set aside those and bring in some trade / commerce implications: By a mere flick of Biden's pen, Pakistan could be removed from the SWIFT banking system with huge consequences for Pakistan. Pakistan needed American support just to get the mere $900 million IMF tranche in November 2023. The EU--which is basically American vassal entity-- can remove Pakistan from GSP+. There are countless ways Pakistani economy can be destroyed if Pakistan follows the route like Iran against Israel. But Iran is immensely blessed with natural resources and has much better human resources as well. And Iran doesn't have a powerful hostile neighbor unlike Pakistan.
Again, if the rich GCC Arab countries are unwilling to stick their neck out for the Palestinians then Pakistan can't. The economic impact alone on Pakistan will be huge--too huge. But that's what happens when you don't invest in human resources even though you know your geopolitical environment is very dangerous and you are relatively resource-starved.

After the Shale Gas revolution in America the past decade. US dependency on GCC oil has been drastically reduced. This has emboldened the zionist policy makers in Washington, to seek a more pro-Israeli stance from GCC.

The GCC Arabs cannot hurt America directly by oil embargo but can certainly hurt America's EU trade partners, causing major losses to the American economy in directly. The world is too interconnected for most countries to not be impacted--well, may with the exceptions like North Korea.

Lets face it, no one else than the US can, or, has the power to provide security to these despotic kingdoms. Thats why they are silent. Its the price to pay for being lazy and drunk on oil money for almost 80 years.

I never understood this 'security' aspect?? Who are the kings/emirs need security from? Iran? Otherwise, domestically, those countries have enough police/security agencies to propagate their rules--I mean they DO provide fairly good living to their citizens.
I tend to think the GCC Arabs are on their path to oil-independent future and don't want to derail that path by getting involved in regional wars. Plus they have huge investments in the West which would be lost if they cross America. Plus, who knows, the CIA may have some 'files' on the ruling class' 'private lives'

 

[Unknowntruth]

Are you Palestinian brother?

Yes, I am brother.

 

[VCheng]

Yes, I am brother.

I hope and pray all your near and dear ones remain safe, and secure in their persons and belongings, during this difficult time in particular.