Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Musings said:
The Muslim world has poor leaders - bought out propped up by the west or vented with personal interests.
By characterizing and generalising about billions of people suggests what I originally suggested.
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You know if these are the cases of localized poor leadership , then your argument is at least defendable (doesn't mean they're right to begin with).

The problem is, these cases of poor leaders is observed from Morocco in one end, to Indonesia in the other end.

It's not the leader, yes they're substandard, but its mostly about the system, Secularism breeds enemies of Islam while democracies breeds morons and imbeciles.

So there u go, there's your answer on "Why hasn't the muslim leaders done anything yet?"
 
Raiden said:
You know if these are the cases of localized poor leadership , then your argument is at least defendable (doesn't mean they're right to begin with).

The problem is, these cases of poor leaders is observed from Morocco in one end, to Indonesia in the other end.

It's not the leader, yes they're substandard, but its mostly about the system, Secularism breeds enemies of Islam while democracies breeds morons and imbeciles.

So there u go, there's your answer on "Why hasn't the muslim leaders done anything yet?"
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You need to define "Secularism".
 
Davey Crockett said:
You need to define "Secularism".
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The separation of state and religion, where religion is reduced to mere rituals and topics of discussion instead of a creed that must be enforced and if need be fought for to the advantage of its interests.
 
Aryan_B said:
Raiden don't make this a muslim jew thing.

You can be secular and hate the apartheid of Israel
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@Raiden is not wrong. He’s proposing a united Islamic state instead of the secular states we have now. That state can be like the EU with Islamic characteristics. He never said that non-Muslims will not be allowed. In past Islamic states, eg Ottomans, non-Muslims lived in safety and were allowed to practice their religion.

The Muslim kingdom of Spain lasted 800 years and most people remained Christians. The Ottomans ruled Eastern Europe for centuries and didn’t force them to convert. Muslims ruled India for centuries and it’s still got a Hindu majority. Therefore, to say that an Islamic state will oppress non-Muslims is not based on historical facts.

The problem with the current form of democracy is exemplified by America. An alien group of 2% of the population has enslaved it. In turn, America uses democracy to enslave other nations. This kind of democracy is a guarantee of being controlled by foreign powers.

Having said that, I still believe in some form of democracy that allows people to select their rulers, but one that cannot be controlled by hostile powers.
 
Tamerlane said:
@Raiden is not wrong. He’s proposing a united Islamic state instead of the secular states we have now. That state can be like the EU with Islamic characteristics. He never said that non-Muslims will not be allowed. In past Islamic states, eg Ottomans, non-Muslims lived in safety and were allowed to practice their religion.

The Muslim kingdom of Spain lasted 800 years and most people remained Christians. The Ottomans ruled Eastern Europe for centuries and didn’t force them to convert. Muslims ruled India for centuries and it’s still got a Hindu majority. Therefore, to say that an Islamic state will oppress non-Muslims is not based on historical facts.

The problem with the current form of democracy is exemplified by America. An alien group of 2% of the population has enslaved it. In turn, America uses democracy to enslave other nations. This kind of democracy is a guarantee of being controlled by foreign powers.

Having said that, I still believe in some form of democracy that allows people to select their rulers, but one that cannot be controlled by hostile powers.
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BINGO !

Lookey here man, millenia of human history, with multiple political system and beliefs, kingdoms, theocracies etc, and only now with the widespread of representative democracy and secularism we saw tiny Jews controlling the majority.

AIPAC could only thrive in a democracy, now you guys need to stick that in your head.
 
Until there is a arms embargo and sanctions on the Israeli government and entire state, then this means nothing

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Raiden said:
BINGO !

Lookey here man, millenia of human history, with multiple political system and beliefs, kingdoms, theocracies etc, and only now with the widespread of representative democracy and secularism we saw tiny Jews controlling the majority.

AIPAC could only thrive in a democracy, now you guys need to stick that in your head.
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Yes, even Americans will have to come up with an alternative system that will allow them to win freedom and keep it.
 
Raiden said:
You know if these are the cases of localized poor leadership , then your argument is at least defendable (doesn't mean they're right to begin with).

The problem is, these cases of poor leaders is observed from Morocco in one end, to Indonesia in the other end.

It's not the leader, yes they're substandard, but its mostly about the system, Secularism breeds enemies of Islam while democracies breeds morons and imbeciles.

So there u go, there's your answer on "Why hasn't the muslim leaders done anything yet?"
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Enough blabbering you ISIS member. From your history you have anti China stance in old PDF and pro USA.

You are more likely CIA agent as you have anti Indonesia sentiment as well. Anti SOE, anti KF21, and want to see civil war happening in Indonesia

First describe what secular meaning first. Secular is the definition from Western countries when they dont want under Church. Muslim rulers never have such thing where they need to be under religious institution. Maybe Iran is the only exception
 
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Tamerlane said:
@Raiden is not wrong. He’s proposing a united Islamic state instead of the secular states we have now. That state can be like the EU with Islamic characteristics. He never said that non-Muslims will not be allowed. In past Islamic states, eg Ottomans, non-Muslims lived in safety and were allowed to practice their religion.

The Muslim kingdom of Spain lasted 800 years and most people remained Christians. The Ottomans ruled Eastern Europe for centuries and didn’t force them to convert. Muslims ruled India for centuries and it’s still got a Hindu majority. Therefore, to say that an Islamic state will oppress non-Muslims is not based on historical facts.

The problem with the current form of democracy is exemplified by America. An alien group of 2% of the population has enslaved it. In turn, America uses democracy to enslave other nations. This kind of democracy is a guarantee of being controlled by foreign powers.

Having said that, I still believe in some form of democracy that allows people to select their rulers, but one that cannot be controlled by hostile powers.
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America is a Republic, not a democracy. The framers of the US Constitution were well aware democracies will eventually become tyrannies. Thomas Jefferson and several other Founding Fathers wrote many letters warning against democracy.

An old joke:

Democracy is two wolves and one lamb voting on what's for dinner
 
Indos said:
Enough blabbering you ISIS member. From your history you have anti China stance in old PDF and pro USA.

You are more likely CIA agent as you have anti Indonesia sentiment as well. Anti SOE, anti KF21, and want to see civil war happening in Indonesia

First describe what secular meaning first. Secular is the definition from Western countries when they dont want under Church. Muslim rulers never have such thing where they need to be under religious institution. Maybe Iran is the only exception
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I'm everything you believe me. Doesn't matter, I have yet to find a single worthy opponent in this forum that is able to overturn my argument.

Yes, the very basic reason why Israel could do a Gaza right now and the apparent silence of the so called 'muslim leader' that many people lament comes down to :

  1. The widespread adoption of democracy, itself the only system that allows Jews to thrive
  2. Secularism that replaces Authocracies in many nations of the world, expedited to unprecedented degree in the mid to late 20th century
There's a reason why NEOCONS, which is just another name for Jewish deep state is SOOOOOO adamant on regime change and introducing multi party system in Iraq, Libya and many more.

Because they simply thrive in those environment, if Jews are flies, then representative democracies and their parliaments are the dungs they latch into. They LOVE it

So for Muslims here who wants to punish the Jews, make sure you make the very political system that propels them from a literal nobody into a parasitic class that control America, irrelevant, make it irrelevant starting from YOU and YOUR loved ones.

Help Palestine form the very basics, defeat democracy.
 
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