Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[UKBengali]

Yes, 9/11 was the single most important event which gave the Israelis even more control of the American system, but I believe it was the Fall of the Soviet Union in 1991--a good decade before 9/11, which really started to cement the Israeli control of the American system. I have been in America since the GHW Bush administration and it was me who brought up his administration as the last one which showed some teeth to Israel and I have noticed how the subsequent American Presidents, starting with Bill Clinton 1992 become more and more subservient to Israel.

But the worst of the worst subservient would be Biden and very likely Trump is going to surpass even Biden in being an Israeli stooge if that's possible.

PS. Maybe the Fall of the Soviet Union introduced a level of imperialism, triumphalism and hubris never seen before that. But it surprises me that no analyst ever talks about how the Israeli influence increased so rapidly since early 90s and connected that with the Fall of the Soviet Union and the Rise of the Neo Cons; Israeli influence was not always this powerful!! BUT, for the political scientist minds here: Israel was not always this powerful and this power can be reversed using active, smart politics--something which I tried to stress leading to the Nov. 5, 2024 elections.

Now that is very interesting.

In essence there was little "cost" to the US in being a Zionist vassal since the fall of the Soviet Union, as there was no other superpower any country could really turn to.

Now run till circa 2035 and China is a full peer(yes even economically and technologically) that Soviet Union never was, the "cost" to US would be immense by being a vassal of this tiny Zionist entity that usurps Palestine.

 

[Davey Crockett]

Now that is very interesting.

In essence there was little "cost" to the US in being a Zionist vassal since the fall of the Soviet Union, as there was no other superpower any country could really turn to.

Now run till circa 2035 and China is a full peer(yes even economically and technologically) that Soviet Union never was, the "cost" to US would be immense by being a vassal of this tiny Zionist entity that usurps Palestine.

First hump China needs to get over....

Post in thread 'Walmart just leveled with Americans: China won’t be paying for Trump’s tariffs, in all likelihood you will' https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...-in-all-likelihood-you-will.16101/post-440838

 

[EugeneP]

Your post, charitably speaking, is misleading!
Yes, Bill Clinton did try hard with the Oslo Accord and Camp David 2000 but, like Trump's 'Deal of the Century', the 'offers' favored Israelis too much and blaming Arafat or Palestinians for no progress is ridiculous! Fact is that Israelis NEVER EVER wanted to give a sovereign state to Palestinians and the most dovish of the Israeli leader Rabin even said something like 'I will give the Palestinians less than a State' and Rabin was killed for even offering whatever little bit he was willing to offer.
So don't blame Arafat! Blame the AIPAC controlled American Presidents especially after Bush senior, starting with Bill Clinton. Arafat lived well past Oslo Accord, past Camp David 2000 so there was one recognized leader from Palestine who was willing to work with the Israelis however Israelis could not even give whatever Rabin was willing to give. Hamas came years later in the picture when they realized that only through violence Palestinians would get something real.

I am not blaming anyone. Just pointing out that after the failure of Camp David 2000, U.S. might have lost faith in the peace process and decided to 'log out'. Then, almost immediately, 9/11 happened and with that, world view and values changed. This is my hypothesis for why U.S. policy might look imbalanced between Israel and Palestinians. The 'tough love' feeling of 1970s and '80s is not there anymore and the support seems entirely one sided (towards Israel).

 

[Snake]

Israel never wanted this war to end quickly. They are using Hamas as an excuse to kill 100 Palestinians for every Israeli killed. They will not stop until that ratio is achieved and a historical milestone is set.

Just as some people are claiming October 7th to be a historical first, Israel wants its response to also stand out in the history books.

I agree with the first part of what you're saying (100:1 kills) even though a lot, probably most, of the Israelis killed on October 14th were killed by Hannibal directive.

However I think they don't want their "response" to be historical record, that's the one taboo their people have. If it becomes historical record they won't be able to perpetrate future atrocities and claim victimhood at the same time. This is why there past atrocities aren't as famous.

 

[Tamerlane]

I am not blaming anyone. Just pointing out that after the failure of Camp David 2000, U.S. might have lost faith in the peace process and decided to 'log out'. Then, almost immediately, 9/11 happened and with that, world view and values changed. This is my hypothesis for why U.S. policy might look imbalanced between Israel and Palestinians. The 'tough love' feeling of 1970s and '80s is not there anymore and the support seems entirely one sided (towards Israel).

9/11 didn’t happen, it was made to happen as a US declaration of war against the Islamic world. It shows that Jewish control over America was so rock solid by the year 2001 that Jews and the goyim in their control were willing and able to attack their own country and kill thousands just to declare war on the Islamic world for the greater glory of Israel.

We can debate when the Jews started taking over America, but the date of absolute control is 9/11/2001.

 

[Davey Crockett]

I am not blaming anyone. Just pointing out that after the failure of Camp David 2000, U.S. might have lost faith in the peace process and decided to 'log out'. Then, almost immediately, 9/11 happened and with that, world view and values changed. This is my hypothesis for why U.S. policy might look imbalanced between Israel and Palestinians. The 'tough love' feeling of 1970s and '80s is not there anymore and the support seems entirely one sided (towards Israel).

AI Overview


Yes, the United States was the first country to recognize Israel as an independent state on May 14, 1948. President Harry Truman issued a statement of recognition after Israel's proclamation of independence on the same day.

The United States and Israel have a relationship that has grown into a mutually beneficial alliance [some will disagree] in economic, strategic, and military aspects since the 1960s. The United States was also the first country to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel in 2017. [Thanks to Trumpstein]

The roots of the U.S.-Israel relationship predate 1948. The United States supported the Balfour Declaration of 1917, which favored the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. However, in 1945, President Franklin D. Roosevelt assured the Arabs that the United States would not intervene without consulting both the Jews and the Arabs in that region. [He lied to you all]

 

[Meengla]

Now that is very interesting.

In essence there was little "cost" to the US in being a Zionist vassal since the fall of the Soviet Union, as there was no other superpower any country could really turn to.

Now run till circa 2035 and China is a full peer(yes even economically and technologically) that Soviet Union never was, the "cost" to US would be immense by being a vassal of this tiny Zionist entity that usurps Palestine.

I am not blaming anyone. Just pointing out that after the failure of Camp David 2000, U.S. might have lost faith in the peace process and decided to 'log out'. Then, almost immediately, 9/11 happened and with that, world view and values changed. This is my hypothesis for why U.S. policy might look imbalanced between Israel and Palestinians. The 'tough love' feeling of 1970s and '80s is not there anymore and the support seems entirely one sided (towards Israel).

@EugeneP : Please see the @UKBengali post quoted here.
After the Fall of the Soviet Union, there was virtually no challenging power to the Americans for many years and so the hubris set in. At least once during the Cold War, I think it was during the Suez Canal crisis, Americans leaned heavily against Israel to prevent an escalation with the Soviet Union. But things changed drastically after 1991: The NeoCons even declared 'The End of History' if anyone here is old enough to remember that famous proclamation. I believe it is not a coincidence that the Americans have gone totally in supporting Israel when the Soviet Union fell. Whatever geopolitical 'calculations' or constraints that had defined America between 1945-1991 were largely gone after 1991 and that reflects in the American policies in the Middle East and in the groveling every American President has to do wearing a skull-cup at the Wailing Wall. And 9/11 has sealed that 'alliance' much to Israel's delight and benefits. Before 1991, Americans Presidents, while still pro Israel, were not the total stooges of Israel. Biden is the worst stooge with the possible likely exception of Trump II coming up.

 

[Meengla]

You may enjoy Pat Buchanan....

Pat Buchanan: In His Own Words

www.adl.org

Pat Buchanan is a champion for Palestinians! I used to watch him countering Neocons / Israel Firsters in American shows. Yes, there was a lot of criticism of Israel in even the MSM in the 90s / early 2000s. It has changed a lot since then.

 

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