Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[_Arabia_]

Not really. What would be similar is if Taiwan was able to achieve permanent independence through US interference. That would make the situation analogous.

The regions lost to Russia were not Han Chinese and were peripheral border regions mostly occupied by nomads. It would be like if a pan Arab state lost a territory in the Sahara occupied by Tuaregs for example.

If China was divided into small states and each province became a country sponsored by different European powers then that would be analogous.

What? Taiwan has literally been de facto independent since the nationalists lost the civil war in mainland China and left for Taiwan. It is the most propped up US ally anywhere outside of Israel and the main point of contention between China and the US and could become one of the main causes for WW3.

There is no such (remotely) example in Arabia let alone the entire Arab world.

It would be like if a part of an existing Arab nation became propped up (to insane levels) by an outside power and acted against the remaining Arab countries and moreover had territorial/rule claims. After all the Taiwanese leadership in a perfect world, claim to be the legitimate rulers of China and would love to rule a united China.

Fair enough, but by that logic (non-Han Chinese) the same could be said about the non-Han Chinese regions of China (Xinjiang, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria) that were never a part of the Chinese heartland yet make up most of the landmass.

China is unique in the sense that it was mostly unified for the past 2 millennia (with ups and downs, invasions and occupations nevertheless), while the Arab world became fragmented long ago.

But Arabs should no doubt use China as the example for what unification could potentially do and why it is beneficial.

I have always said that because this is undeniable.

 

[tower9]

What? Taiwan has literally been de facto independent since the nationalists lost the civil war in mainland China and left for Taiwan. It is the most propped up US ally anywhere outside of Israel and the main point of contention between China and the US and could become one of the main causes for WW3.

There is no such (remotely) example in Arabia let alone the entire Arab world.

It would be like if a part of an existing Arab nation became propped up (to insane levels) by an outside power and acted against the remaining Arab countries and moreover had territorial/rule claims. After all the Taiwanese leadership in a perfect world, claim to be the legitimate rulers of China and would love to rule a united China.

Fair enough, but by that logic (non-Han Chinese) the same could be said about the non-Han Chinese regions of China (Xinjiang, Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Manchuria) that were never a part of the Chinese heartland yet make up most of the landmass.

China is unique in the sense that it was mostly unified for the past 2 millennia (with ups and downs, invasions and occupations nevertheless), while the Arab world became fragmented long ago.

But Arabs should no doubt use China as the example for what unification could potentially do and why it is beneficial.

I have always said that because this is undeniable.

Dude most of the Arab states are basically Taiwan. What are you talking about.

Anyways like I said, if Taiwan achieves permanent and formal independence then that would be analogous to the gulf states. Although taiwans separation was caused due to the losing side fleeing there, its continued separation is propped up by the west.

 

[Falcon29]

To be clear, Netanyahu and his Nazi government have been the obstacle to a ceasefire the entire time.

They refused a ceasefire each time and wanted to resume the war on Gaza after a brief hiatus of two weeks.

What changed recently is this Nazi terrorist government feels it's satisfied the bloodlust of it's terrorist population and is now willing to end the war on Gaza.

It's being framed as Hamas giving in to Israeli demands only for domestic purposes in Israel. It has nothing to do with ceasefire in Lebanon or anything. The only way to have a ceasefire is by having one. Israel was saying no to every mediator and party until now.

Yes, it will be a permanent ceasefire and a gradual withdrawal from Gaza. Hamas is not surrendering.


The rest of you did surrender because your objective was aiding/supporting Gaza not surviving. And you gave in to Israeli demands to stop aiding Gaza. The objective for Gaza was to survive. After 14 brutal months and US led terrorism against the people of Gaza, trying to murder them all and expel them into Sinai.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Yes, Nazi Israel's goal is not the hostages or peace but territorial expansion aided and abetted by his Nazi ideolized sponsor partners.

 

[Falcon29]

The only pressure that happened is the international pressure on Nazi Israel and Trump's pressure on Netanyahu to end the war.

That's the only reason Israel has finally agreed to a ceasefire and has dropped its demands of expelling Palestinians to Egypt and waging a forever war on Gaza.

That's assuming it's not theatrics from the terrorist Jewish American community.

 

[Developereo]

The only pressure that happened is the international pressure on Nazi Israel and Trump's pressure on Netanyahu to end the war.

That's the only reason Israel has finally agreed to a ceasefire and has dropped its demands of expelling Palestinians to Egypt and waging a forever war on Gaza.

That's assuming it's not theatrics from the terrorist Jewish American community.

The only reason Israel has agreed to a ceasefire is to rest, recover and restock. It will start the genocide again, doing a false flag if necessary, when the domestic situation gets ugly for Netanyahu.

 

[_Arabia_]

Dude most of the Arab states are basically Taiwan. What are you talking about.

Anyways like I said, if Taiwan achieves permanent and formal independence then that would be analogous to the gulf states. Although taiwans separation was caused due to the losing side fleeing there, its continued separation is propped up by the west.

I disagree. They would be if there was 1 unified Arab state and suddenly 1 anti-Arab breakaway state propped up by our main geopolitical rival, emerged.

China cannot be compared directly with the Arab world because China is unified (after the century of humiliation) while Arabs are divided into 20 + nation states and some parts of the Arab world are even occupied currently.

The only pressure that happened is the international pressure on Nazi Israel and Trump's pressure on Netanyahu to end the war.

That's the only reason Israel has finally agreed to a ceasefire and has dropped its demands of expelling Palestinians to Egypt and waging a forever war on Gaza.

That's assuming it's not theatrics from the terrorist Jewish American community.

I don't believe in that ceasefire and I don't believe that Israel does not aim at expelling Palestinians whenever the slightest possibility opens.

That is why Arabs are in a bad place, in particular Egypt and Jordan. Because they are heavily being criticized by fellow Muslims for not doing more and taking Palestinians in (from those not knowing what this is all about) but at the same time they should and could be doing more.

If Egypt took in 100.000's of Gazans, I don't believe that Israel would allow them back in, just like they don't allow exiled Palestinians who fled to Syria, Lebanon and nearby states after the Nabka.

 

[Falcon29]

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[Persian Gulf]

After more than a year of objections, Hamas has agreed to an Israeli demand that the IDF remain in Gaza temporarily under a potential ceasefire-hostage deal, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday, citing Arab mediators.

Hamas had for long months insisted that it would not agree to a deal unless it included a permanent end to the war in Gaza and a full withdrawal of Israeli troops from the Strip. However, the report said that Hamas is seemingly easing its demands, and has also provided mediators with a list of prisoners that it would release in the first phase of a new deal.

The report added that Israeli negotiators were pushing for more prisoners to be released in the initial phase of the ceasefire. At the same time, it said they had agreed to a gradual withdrawal from the Philadelphi Corridor on the Gaza-Egypt border.

Hamas has also reportedly agreed that it would not have any involvement in running the Palestinian side of the Rafah Crossing between Egypt and Gaza.

Hamas accepts Israel's temporary presence in Gaza: Source

TEHRAN, Dec. 13 (MNA) – Media sources reported that Hamas has accepted Israeli demand that the Zionist forces remain in Gaza temporarily under a potential deal.

en.mehrnews.com

Hezbollah agreed to similar terms in Lebanon. A ceasefire and massive aid and reconstruction efforts are urgently needed.

 

[Shawnee]

So Hamas will exist in Gaza and will rule Gaza.

Unless we see a second war after hostages are released

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Shawnee]

This deal means Hamas won despite all the civilian casualties.

Hamas was not destructible.

 

[Ravenman]

@tower9 @_Arabia_

The only Arab state that can be compared with Taiwan is Kuwait.

A former Iraqi province, broke away with the help of the UK, then propped up with foreign aid to a modern rich oilstate, and under constant danger from Iraq and even been invaded by Iraq in the past.

Kuwait has welfare and peace and is technologicly at the same level as Qatar and UAE.

 

[Snake]

Hamas has also reportedly agreed that it would not have any involvement in running the Palestinian side of the Rafah Crossing between Egypt and Gaza

This is defeat for Hamas. They gained nothing on the ground. Though they did manage to bring recognition to their struggle and the Israeli cancer.

 

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