Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[UKBengali]

True, but it would be better if we could become powerful and solve our problems out ourselves rather than look for outsiders for help. That way we could determine our own destiny.

It will happen in our lifetimes I am sure.

Eventually all or nearly all Muslim countries will form an economic and military alliance.

Yes BD, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey etc will still be independent sovereign countries but we will learn to co-operate together like the west has done since WW2.

 

[EugeneP]

Losing a huge chunk of your land that is now populated with 1 million British settlers is still "suffering".

Ireland is nice as when it does take it(Northern Ireland) back, it will give them equal rights and treat them nicely.

One of the most humane countries in the world.

They already have the de facto border in the Irish sea. After Brexit, if U.K. gets even more poorer, the Scots too may want to get under the E.U. blanket.

 

[Ravenman]

It will happen in our lifetimes I am sure.

Eventually all or nearly all Muslim countries will form an economic and military alliance.

Yes BD, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey etc will still be independent sovereign countries but we will learn to co-operate together like the west has done since WW2.

We need a union like the EU first. Same laws, same coin, etc.

 

[Meengla]

BUT Im beginning to think that the long term consequences for the resistance are greatly exaggerated. First of all, we have absolutely no clue what is going to be born out of the Syrian situation. The zionist entity spared NO time in moving in on Syrian lands to occupy and shot Syrian protestors. Such overreach is self defeating, and breathes life into resistance, and Iran may find new partnership in Syria. If not with official government, with groups in Syria with which it finds common interests, to fight against Zionist aggression.

I doubt any Syrian, whether secular or Jihadi, would let Israel rest in peace in the newly occupied land--which is supposed to be already three times the size of Gaza! But 'facts on the ground' are facts which can't be ignored. Israel is within a very short drive to Damascus now and also occupies the high peaks to overlook Lebanon and Syria. Already, per a report, one of five supply vehicle from Iran to Lebanon was successfully destroyed, so the new Israeli deployments would make the supplies much harder. And let's not bring in air or sea routes: Israel had targeted sea supplies to Lebanon/Syria before and would make air supplies impossible by destroying the Beirut Airport if need be. The Houthis in Yemen were supplied because they were not perceived a large threat to Israel--the Houthis may have served well the purpose of keeping Muslims fighting each other while the arms industry in America made untold billions from that conflict. But now the Houthis are a big target.
Having said all this... I don't see Israel finding peace despite its gains in Syria. Once a Jihadi, always a Jihadi. The CIA money may buy the leaders but the cadre of the Syrian resistance will turn against Israel before long. Bottomline: Israel will NOT find peace until it gives peace to the regional entities.

 

[agidest]

I doubt any Syrian, whether secular or Jihadi, would let Israel rest in peace in the newly occupied land--which is supposed to be already three times the size of Gaza! But 'facts on the ground' are facts which can't be ignored. Israel is within a very short drive to Damascus now and also occupies the high peaks to overlook Lebanon and Syria. Already, per a report, one of five supply vehicle from Iran to Lebanon was successfully destroyed, so the new Israeli deployments would make the supplies much harder. And let's not bring in air or sea routes: Israel had targeted sea supplies to Lebanon/Syria before and would make air supplies impossible by destroying the Beirut Airport if need be. The Houthis in Yemen were supplied because they were not perceived a large threat to Israel--the Houthis may have served well the purpose of keeping Muslims fighting each other while the arms industry in America made untold billions from that conflict. But now the Houthis are a big target.
Having said all this... I don't see Israel finding peace despite its gains in Syria. Once a Jihadi, always a Jihadi. The CIA money may buy the leaders but the cadre of the Syrian resistance will turn against Israel before long. Bottomline: Israel will NOT find peace until it gives peace to the regional entities.

Najam Sethi has speculated that Israel will settle Gazans in the part of Syria they have occupied.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Pakistan is a VERY hostile nation against Israel and that leads to all kind of possibilities in the future. The little collaborations in the past you mentioned were small transactions mostly against the Soviets when the Islamic world and the West were on the same side.

Israel has not turned its attention to Pakistan yet because it is still unable to manage its own neighborhood, as this conflict shows. Then there is Iran.

Having said all this, I think India would not like to stir the hornets nest by collaborating with Israel on the attack on Pakistani nukes. India will face the consequences while Israel would watch from a distance, smugly.

In this video, Najam Sethi, a credible Pakistani journalist/analyst, talks about the threat to the Pakistani nukes--and he quotes Netanyahu himself from late 2023. He makes sound arguments. If you don't know Urdu then try to turn captions to English--the translations are remarkably good in You Tube videos.

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We have just witnessed the genocide of the Palestinian people in Gaza, the expansion of the illegal occupation of Syrian terrority, the intentional massacre of civilians in Lebanon in response to military losses in South Lebanon. All cheered on by the USA.

There is now a clear and present threat to the security of Pakistan, and Pakistan has to now start to think about how to defend itself from that threat. Pakistan historically dismissed the Israeli threats as being "over there and nothing to do with us", but that over there is starting to become over here now as Israel sees Pakistan as a threat regardless of what Pakistan thinks.

Also, it is not in the interest of Pakistan to see Iran fall despite whatever differences Pakistan may have had in the past with Iran. After Iran, it will be Pakistan.

The first part is to put into place hypersonic missiles with MIRV technology as a deterrent, and then work to actively manage the Israel threat. The fact that Israel is complaining of this is because Israel has been it cannot defend itself against hypersonic missiles at all. Its defence shield does not work for those types of missiles and it can even be overwhelmed by conventional ballistic missiles.

In short, it is time to take the initiative and not ignore the threat to it anylonger, rather than being a passive bystander as there is a clear risk to Pakistan.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

It will happen in our lifetimes I am sure.

Eventually all or nearly all Muslim countries will form an economic and military alliance.

Yes BD, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey etc will still be independent sovereign countries but we will learn to co-operate together like the west has done since WW2.

I sincerely hope so.

 

[Meengla]

Najam Sethi has speculated that Israel will settle Gazans in the part of Syria they have occupied.

And?? Why is that impossible? Israelis ministers have repeatedly said that they would like to see Gaza's population reduced to between 100k-200k as something manageable while also trying to prevent the label of 'ethnic cleansing'.

Also, it is not in the interest of Pakistan to see Iran fall despite whatever differences Pakistan may have had in the past with Iran. After Iran, it will be Pakistan.

It was NEVER in the interests of Pakistan to see Iran fall. There are a few skirmishes between the two countries but after China it is still the least hostile border of Pakistan. Pakistani leadership--and Iranian leadership--is aware of the need to maintain good relations with each other. And if you watch the Sethi video carefully, he is alluding to Pakistani leadership secretly trying to enable Iran to acquire the nuclear technology but Pakistan was caught. Pakistan was not only trying to help Iran but also to help Pakistan by deflecting attention from Pakistan's nukes to Iran's nukes!! That was in the 90s.

The first part is to put into place hypersonic missiles with MIRV technology as a deterrent, and then work to actively manage the Israel threat. The fact that Israel is complaining of this is because Israel has been it cannot defend itself against hypersonic missiles at all. Its defence shield does not work for those types of missiles and it can even be overwhelmed by conventional ballistic missiles.
In short, it is time to take the initiative and not ignore the threat to it anylonger, rather than being a passive bystander as there is a clear risk to Pakistan.

Right. And I think that the recent American sanctions against Pakistan over the missile program is because Americans have detected Pakistan developing long range or more lethal missiles! In that sense, it is not be noted that Iran has advanced missile tech and there have been unusually high level of Pakistan and Iran interactions since this conflict began after October 2023. But Pakistan has to tread extremely carefully because of the near total dependence on America and its allies for the near-bankrupt economy.

 

[Khansaheeb]

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Jews aren't pretending they are after Hamas soldiers but openly and unashamedly perpetrating genocide.

 

[agidest]

And?? Why is that impossible? Israelis ministers have repeatedly said that they would like to see Gaza's population reduced to between 100k-200k as something manageable while also trying to prevent the label of 'ethnic cleansing'.

There's no 'and'. Just sharing what I heard him speak.

I don't think its likely but it is possible if enough Western countries also back the idea. That said if they do go for it, they would move the entire population, not leave 100K people in Gaza.

 

[EugeneP]

Najam Sethi has speculated that Israel will settle Gazans in the part of Syria they have occupied.

Doesn't make any sense. If they play the cards right, they can have the settlements right in Syria. The parts abutting Israel with Druze are Israel friendly. More importantly, Syria proper itself may end up becoming Israel friendly. It is not written in the stars that Israel and all its Arab neighbors have to be permanently hostile. There is too much evidence that Arabs want to move on with life and not live in 1948 forever.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I disagree. Despite folklore in Pakistan that Israeli's are against Pakistan and fabled but imagined stories of Israeli jets taking off against Pakistan, they are broadly not.

In decades of Indian engagement with Pakistan, India has found that Israel is ok with Pakistan because it believes Pakistan will not target Israel and remain under US guidelines. There has even been off the books contact between Israel and Pakistan many many times and the relationship has remained cordial.

Now, if Pakistan wants to change this and become hostile, that is an active choice.

Again with innuendo.
Zion is not what it seeks to be... yet!
It rides US shoulders for an aim that is as much messianic as godless atheistic communist.
Zion is not a prayer to the Almighty, it is a deal with the devil. Not deliverance from God, instead and abomination a fornication.
You kneel or will be made to...

Pakistan is a target, not by choice but by default...
It is a civilizational response. The rest are mere spectators!

 

[FOOLS_NIGHTMARE]

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[hussain0216]

Doesn't make any sense. If they play the cards right, they can have the settlements right in Syria. The parts abutting Israel with Druze are Israel friendly. More importantly, Syria proper itself may end up becoming Israel friendly. It is not written in the stars that Israel and all its Arab neighbors have to be permanently hostile. There is too much evidence that Arabs want to move on with life and not live in 1948 forever.

The Arabs and middle east detest the Jews , you might have governments who make deals for gain but even after decades of a peace deal no Jew can go to down town Cairo and wrap himself in a Israeli flag without being lynched

The peace is skin deep

 

[PakFactor]

The Arabs and middle east detest the Jews , you might have governments who make deals for gain but even after decades of a peace deal no Jew can go to down town Cairo and wrap himself in a Israeli flag without being lynched

The peace is skin deep

I don't know; my perception has changed after witnessing many events in the last year between Jews and Arabs; if there were a holocaust, the Arabs would run to save their stupid cousins. Even now, they will take a Jew over a non-Arab Muslim.