Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[hussain0216]

No you have some shame mate. You are not any better than any Arab regime. In fact worse than many Arab regimes (in particular those that have never recognized Israel) as you actually have the population, means, nukes etc. to change status quo in Israel or threaten them to establish Palestine.

Nothing stops Pakistan from sending/smuggling nukes to Arab militias fighting Israel. If the will was there it could be done.

So don't hide behind geography etc. It has no meaning here because otherwise 80% of all Arabs could hide behind Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, Egypt (Sinai with barely any people) being the only Arab countries bordering Israel directly.

Just realize and accept that all Muslim leadership has failed tremendously not only in Gaza/Palestine but anywhere else where Muslims have been suffering in the modern era.

Pakistan/Muslims also failed in Kashmir.

Stop hiding behind a few Arab regimes. It is dishonest and far from the ground reality. Just accept that we have failed as a Muslim Ummah to make the Muslim world united, strong and prosperous as a whole and failed to prevent division and wars/conflicts and that most of us do only care about our own plate at the end of the day.

If this was NOT the case, the world would have looked differently.

You want Pakistan to smuggle weaponry through our Arab allies now, against their wishes?

So whilst Arab states will try to stop us, we are supposed to force our way through?

Even when we had the OIC meet right after the October 7th attack, sanctions, actions were all stopped because of the Arab states refusal to implement them


As fellow Arabs surrounding the Jew apartheid entity you take primary blame for your behaviour and decisions

 

[_Arabia_]

You want Pakistan to smuggle weaponry through our Arab allies now, against their wishes?

So whilst Arab states will try to stop us, we are supposed to force our way through?

Even when we had the OIC meet right after the October 7th attack, sanctions, actions were all stopped because of the Arab states refusal to implement them


As fellow Arabs surrounding the Jew apartheid entity you take primary blame for your behaviour and decisions

But you and I both know that the Pakistani regime (military) would never risk fighting a direct war against Israel/West/USA which is the crux of the matter. No Muslim nation is prepared to do.

Who will stop you exactly? If you wanted you could attack Israel directly. You have the nukes and the missiles to target Israel directly. What stops you? Same thing as everyone else.

Why act like it is some imaginary Arab regimes that are stopping outsiders (other Muslims) from attacking Israel? Not the case.

What stopped Pakistan from applying real military pressure on Israel as the only nuclear armed Muslim nation say 20 or 25 years ago? Back then only Jordan and Egypt had recognized ISrael and that only due to peace deal after the end of wars that said states had thought against Israel.

Yes, Arabs have the biggest responsibility due to kinship with Palestine, history and geography but that should not somehow alleviate the blame from other Muslims.

I mean nowhere in Islam or simple logic does 2 wrongs make 1 right. Both are equally wrong.

Which again leads me to my previous points which cannot really be argued against.

As for the OIC, is there any confirmation of who stopped what and if that was even the case? What does it take to block some resolution? I don't recall the inner workings of the OIC and don't bother to Google it as I consider it a largely ineffective organization not unlike the overall state of the Muslim world of today.

 

[hussain0216]

But you and I both know that the Pakistani regime (military) would never risk fighting a direct war against Israel/West/USA which is the crux of the matter. No Muslim nation is prepared to do.

Who will stop you exactly? If you wanted you could attack Israel directly. You have the nukes and the missiles to target Israel directly. What stops you? Same thing as everyone else.

Why act like it is some imaginary Arab regimes that are stopping outsiders (other Muslims) from attacking Israel? Not the case.

What stopped Pakistan from applying real military pressure on Israel as the only nuclear armed Muslim nation say 20 or 25 years ago? Back then only Jordan and Egypt had recognized ISrael and that only due to peace deal after the end of wars that said states had thought against Israel.

Yes, Arabs have the biggest responsibility due to kinship with Palestine, history and geography but that should not somehow alleviate the blame from other Muslims.

I mean nowhere in Islam or simple logic does 2 wrongs make 1 right. Both are equally wrong.

Which again leads me to my previous points which cannot really be argued against.

As for the OIC, is there any confirmation of who stopped what and if that was even the case? What does it take to block some resolution? I don't recall the inner workings of the OIC and don't bother to Google it as I consider it a largely ineffective organization not unlike the overall state of the Muslim world of today.

What do you think we did in Afghanistan against the USSR, USA, NATO and India?

 

[Kyussis]

UAE invites and pays for Israeli soldiers to co

But, hey, 'Freedom and Democracy' came to Syria, right?!! I had never opposed Assad since the civil war there started in 2011 because I knew who was instigated that and why! My posts about that probably can still be seen in the old PDF but deluded, uninformed fools on PDF, especially the expats, are a different breed!! They are a different breed when it comes to the Pakistani politics too but that's a different subject.



Now let's absorb--truly absorb!!--the contrast between what Obama and Biden were offering Iran vs what Trump is offering! Obama tried to bring Iran into some non-conflict relationship by offering the JCPOA which was BITTERLY opposed by Netanyahu but Obama persisted despite that. Then Trump I stopped JCPOA! And even the self-proclaimed biggest Zionist in the world Biden, early into his term, did make some noise about reviving the JCPOA. And look at what Trump II is offering!!
Haven't I been talking about the 'lesser evil' for months?!

Even Obama was not fulfilling the U.S obligations under the JCPOA. The U.S no matter who is in charge have never honored any agreement they they have made.

 

[Meengla]

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Europe would never take the Jews back into the continent. The white Christians had done numerous pogroms against Jews over centuries and in fact the foundation of Israel is a result of a giant ethnic cleansing where Europe--and not just Hitler who is singled out-- finally took care of their Jewish 'problem'. And of course the global Jewry worked hard since the 1870s at least to engineer that outcome.

 

[_Arabia_]

What do you think we did in Afghanistan against the USSR, USA, NATO and India?

You helped the Taliban/Afghan mujahideen together with the Arabs (in particular KSA here being the "Arabs") next door by smuggling weapons into Afghanistan, training foot soldiers and helped volunteers from abroad (1000's of Arabs included) and the establishment of madrasas (during the USSR-Afghanistan war between 1980-1988). Joinly with the US back then.

Not much different to what certain segments within the KSA government and private people (donors and mujahideeen) did in Iraq next door from 2003 onwards. The difference was that it was not done/approved by the state as such (at least not directly).

However there is AN ENORMOUS difference from such operations and actually directly declaring war on the USSR (back in the 1980's) or the US. None of which occurred for well-known reasons.

The very same reasons that prevents Arabs (as in states) and Muslims (as in the Muslim world) from directly attacking Israel by declaring an all-out war as that would get the US/West/NATO involved.

Which is the crux of the problem here and has been since 1948. Even before that era. This "problem" began in the 1880's with the first Jewish settlements in Palestine when it was still formally under Ottoman control. In reality local rulers/appointees were ruling on a day to day basis.

Anyway ending the discussion here buddy, as I have to leave. Cheers.

 

[hussain0216]

You helped the Taliban/Afghan mujahideen together with the Arabs (in particular KSA here being the "Arabs") next door by smuggling weapons into Afghanistan, training foot soldiers and helped volunteers from abroad (1000's of Arabs included) and the establishment of madrasas (during the USSR-Afghanistan war between 1980-1988). Joinly with the US back then.

Not much different to what certain segments within the KSA government and private people (donors and mujahideeen) did in Iraq next door from 2003 onwards. The difference was that it was not done/approved by the state as such (at least not directly).

However there is AN ENORMOUS difference from such operations and actually directly declaring war on the USSR (back in the 1980's) or the US. None of which occurred for well-known reasons.

The very same reasons that prevents Arabs (as in states) and Muslims (as in the Muslim world) from directly attacking Israel by declaring an all-out war as that would get the US/West/NATO involved.

Which is the crux of the problem here and has been since 1948. Even before that era. This "problem" began in the 1880's with the first Jewish settlements in Palestine when it was still formally under Ottoman control. In reality local rulers/appointees were ruling on a day to day basis.

Anyway ending the discussion here buddy, as I have to leave. Cheers.

No, we didn't help them, we were the only reason they existed and were not utterly decimated. We guided their leadership and made the plans for long term conflict

Whether it was a superpowers or NATO we understood any local issues were our own to deal with later, and these guys were enemies of the region

 

[Mobius]

The jackals in Arabia (Leaders) have been sleeping for decades with their bellies filled with camel biriyani and halwa. Always reactive, never proactive. They must Wake up from their slumber now!

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[Meengla]

Let us play devils advocate here (I already know the question to this puzzle).

Let us assume that Jordanians get so pissed off that they topple King Abdullah and the Hashemites and a MB-inspired regime/government emerges with a pan-Arab and pan-Islamic viewpoint and with their biggest priority being the liberation of Palestine.

Say that this regime asked Pakistan for nuclear weapons or direct military support that could topple the balance of power (potentially).

Would Pakistan (I am mentioning Pakistan here not because this is a Pakistani forum but because Pakistan is the sole Muslim nuclear power), agree to transfer some of its nuclear weapons and delivery systems (missiles) to Jordan AND allow Jordan to use it on Israel?

Would the Pakistani military (that essentially has ruled Pakistan constantly since 1948) do it when the entire Pakistani military and Pakistani elite are connected closely with the Western world on every front?

How many here believe this would ever occur?

Let me make another though experiment quickly.

Let us assume that the Pakistani military was replaced by a hardcore Islamic government (say a more tolerable version of the TTP or Pakistani Taliban or whatever group there exists) elected by Pakistanis and that government would actively clean the military to put people aligned to their views in power much like what Erdogan has been doing in Turkey with the Kemalists for the past 20 + years.

Even in such a scenario I doubt there would be sufficient bravery to do such a thing? Why? Because the USA/West/NATO/Israel holds all the military, financial cards currently and are able to destroy your nation in return. And I have no doubt that this would actually happen if somebody tried to nuke Israel or the West.

So what exact cards do the Arabs and Muslims exactly hold to defeat/topple the balance in regards to Israel/West/NATO/USA? Can anyone answer in a realistic way because I don't see it and this is probably why the leaderships cannot do anything of note. Either that or all 50 + Muslim leaderships are compromised from Morocco to Indonesia.

And yes, those Arab regimes should never have normalized with Israel but what would them doing it or NOT doing it change on the ground?

The answer is nothing. Israel can behave like they do ONLY due to the UNCONDITIONAL support they enjoy from the West/USA/NATO.

This is the crux of the matter really. Discussing everything else is pointless and a waste of time. All Arab/Muslim states could tomorrow recognize Israel or not recognize it and none of the above would change.

I see some of your points and I am historically not into the Arab bashing here as generalizing hundreds of millions of people, most of whom don't have the oil wealth and would face the music of the current Western dominated economic order. Even those with oil wealth are deeply vested in the West and know that, until there is alternate financial order, they risk losing trillions of their investment within days if they go stray. And what to speak of the tens of millions of Pakistanis, Bangladeshis and other who work in GCC countries and provide enormous revenues to their countries of origin the GCC economies shut down due to wars and/or sanctions?
We all need to be aware of the ignorance of the expats with their grandiose plans of a world order. They should live in their countries of origin like common folks to see the reality of life there. I was raised in solid upper middle class family in Karachi but abject poverty was still all around me; there were literally straw huts housing within few minutes walk from my house. Such perspective is important to have in our lives in general.
PS. You remind me of a certain Jhungary (Chinese, American, Hungarian, Mongolian, German... could never figure out his ethnicity. LOL!) who wrote long posts to the point of making several PhD dissertations in the Russia-Ukraine war thread in the old PDF! LOL!

 

[The SC]

The cancellation of the Saudi Foreign Ministry’s visit to the United States of America
remainder that in our union there is a great power..

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[Kyussis]

well done Egypt.

Stop your Anti Arab Cult behavior!/s

 

[Kyussis]

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the balls on this guy to share a video glorifying October 7th attacks in Hebrew.

imagine any Arab leader (outside of Lebanon, Palestine and Yemen) having half this level of gheyrat.

Clearly he works hand in glove with the Israelis!/s

 

[lightning f57]

I am hoping Gaza will become a uniting factor now for arab and muslim countries. We are seeing US Arab allies give the US a cold shoulder, trumpy after humiliating the king of Jordan and realising his messing up their zionist plans had to put out a message praising the Jordanian people.

May this unity gain momentum and may trump continue destroying the delicate china shop (US world order) like a mad raging bull.

 

[HAIDER]

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[The SC]

No_to Palestinian displacement ... US Congress challenges Trump
Warning against the mass displacement of the residents of Gaza
accusing him of violating international law and his statements threatening American interests in Egypt and the Middle East and urged the two -state solution

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