Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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Morocco has selected Israel’s Elbit Systems as its primary weapons supplier, acquiring 36 Atmos 2000 artillery systems.

The Moroccan ambassador to Washington, Youssef Al -Amrani, said that the normalization agreements between Arab countries and Israel "were an ambitious ground to create ties and support for cooperation and economic development between the countries of the region" before "the war was frozen in Gaza."

Unfortunately, the war in Gaza and the miserable situation in the Middle East led to the freezing of cooperation "between Arab countries and Israel.

We call for "the extension of bridges of cooperation and political dialogue in favor of security and basic stability in the region," and "enough wars and tension."

Our approach is to link bridges between peoples and countries instead of war and crises. We want the Middle East region to live in peace and peace and live in economic prosperity. "

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[_Arabia_]

They are all going for their personal and individual goals. The Arabs have decided a long while ago that Israel appeasement is the way forward.

What with this "Arab" mantra and labelling all 550 million Arabs into one basket? A few select Arab leaders/regimes are called "Arabs" (as if they represent all 550 million Arabs?) instead of being directly reformed such as the Moroccan monarchy/government etc. You don't yourself realize how stupid it sounds? There are 20 + sovereign Arab states. Of those 20 + Arab states less than 1/3 have even recognized Israel.

And quite frankly the idea of normalization, peace, mutually beneficially trade, relations on all fronts is not a bad idea in itself at all. It is what the entire region should aspire to. No sane person is interested in wars, instability, conflicts as it has no winners. You would not want it for yourself.

The problem is not the Arabs here (never were) or the Palestinians but the behaviour of Zionists within Israel and their 24/7 support from USA/West/NATO and their control of the Western world, in particular their control of the US financial, tech, military, politics. Add them possessing nuclear weapons as the only country in the region.

All of that should not be that hard to understand and all of it is old news.

Arabs/Muslims cannot do much as long as status quo remains and as long as USA/West/NATO are this close/attached to the Zionists.

Also all the fighting against Israel, last time I checked, is done by Arabs and only Arabs alone.

Also if Arabs are such weak people (and in general all Middle Eastern people) why cannot 250 million big nuclear armed Islamic Republic of Pakistan not attack the Zionists and the US? What stops Pakistan? Show us all how strong and mighty you are in front of the US/West/NATO and become immortal in the eyes of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims worldwide. Take the mantle of Muslim leadership.

 

[Dalit]

What with this "Arab" mantra and labelling all 550 million Arabs into one basket? A few select Arab leaders/regimes are called "Arabs" (as if they represent all 550 million Arabs?) instead of being directly reformed such as the Moroccan monarchy/government etc. You don't yourself realize how stupid it sounds? There are 20 + sovereign Arab states. Of those 20 + Arab states less than 1/3 have even recognized Israel.

And quite frankly the idea of normalization, peace, mutual beneficially trade, relations on all fronts is not a bad idea in itself at all. It is what the entire region should aspire to. No sane person is interested in wars, instability, conflicts as it has no winners. You would not want it for yourself.

The problem is not the Arabs here (never were) or the Palestinians but the behaviour of Zionists within Israel and their 24/7 support from USA/West/NATO and their control of the Western world, in particular their control of the US financial, tech, military, politics. Add them possessing nuclear weapons as the only country in the region.

All of that should not be that hard to understand and all of it is old news.

Arabs/Muslims cannot do much as long as status quo remains and as long as USA/West/NATO are this close/attached to the Zionists.

Also all the fighting against Israel, last time I checked, is done by Arabs and only Arabs alone.

Also if Arabs are such weak people (and in general all Middle Eastern people) why cannot 250 million big nuclear armed Islamic Republic of Pakistan not attack the Zionists and the US? What stops Pakistan? Show us all how strong and mighty you are in front of the US/West/NATO and become immortal in the eyes of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims worldwide. Take the mantle of Muslim leadership.

Your leaders are terrible just like ours.

 

[_Arabia_]

Your leaders are terrible just like ours.

Let us assume that is the case.

Now compare small 10-15 million big Jordan here that your compatriots are criticizing a few pages ago.

How do they compare with 250 million big nuclear armed Islamic Republic of Pakistan?
Why cannot 250 million big nuclear armed Islamic Republic of Pakistan not attack the Zionists and the US? What stops Pakistan? Show us all how strong and mighty you are in front of the US/West/NATO and become immortal in the eyes of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims worldwide. Take the mantle of Muslim leadership.

Your compatriots here are acting like non-Arabs have liberated Palestine, established a Palestinian state, removed Israel and Jews from the face of the planet but in reality you are just as useful or useless as the Arab leaderships you criticize.

Can't be both at least.

And last time I checked the likes of Turkey and Azerbaijan have far closer ties to Israel (even during the war against Gaza) than any Arab state but we don't see so much criticism aimed at them albeit it has to be said that they too get criticism which of course is legitimate.

So why not do what is right here and just say that the entire Muslim world has failed rather than just attack a few small (largely) Arab countries that don't matter much anyway. Talking about UAE, Bahrain, Jordan and Morocco here. Matter much in being able to take on Israel in the first place not to mention that both UAE, Bahrain and Morocco are located far away from Israel, in particular Morocco.

And you won't see me condoning those regimes policies, rather the opposite, I have openly been criticizing them.

 

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The Israeli ambassador to Washington: Sisi violates the peace agreement

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[_Arabia_]

Let us play devils advocate here (I already know the question to this puzzle).

Let us assume that Jordanians get so pissed off that they topple King Abdullah and the Hashemites and a MB-inspired regime/government emerges with a pan-Arab and pan-Islamic viewpoint and with their biggest priority being the liberation of Palestine.

Say that this regime asked Pakistan for nuclear weapons or direct military support that could topple the balance of power (potentially).

Would Pakistan (I am mentioning Pakistan here not because this is a Pakistani forum but because Pakistan is the sole Muslim nuclear power), agree to transfer some of its nuclear weapons and delivery systems (missiles) to Jordan AND allow Jordan to use it on Israel?

Would the Pakistani military (that essentially has ruled Pakistan constantly since 1948) do it when the entire Pakistani military and Pakistani elite are connected closely with the Western world on every front?

How many here believe this would ever occur?

Let me make another though experiment quickly.

Let us assume that the Pakistani military was replaced by a hardcore Islamic government (say a more tolerable version of the TTP or Pakistani Taliban or whatever group there exists) elected by Pakistanis and that government would actively clean the military to put people aligned to their views in power much like what Erdogan has been doing in Turkey with the Kemalists for the past 20 + years.

Even in such a scenario I doubt there would be sufficient bravery to do such a thing? Why? Because the USA/West/NATO/Israel holds all the military, financial cards currently and are able to destroy your nation in return. And I have no doubt that this would actually happen if somebody tried to nuke Israel or the West.

So what exact cards do the Arabs and Muslims exactly hold to defeat/topple the balance in regards to Israel/West/NATO/USA? Can anyone answer in a realistic way because I don't see it and this is probably why the leaderships cannot do anything of note. Either that or all 50 + Muslim leaderships are compromised from Morocco to Indonesia.

And yes, those Arab regimes should never have normalized with Israel but what would them doing it or NOT doing it change on the ground?

The answer is nothing. Israel can behave like they do ONLY due to the UNCONDITIONAL support they enjoy from the West/USA/NATO.

This is the crux of the matter really. Discussing everything else is pointless and a waste of time. All Arab/Muslim states could tomorrow recognize Israel or not recognize it and none of the above would change.

 

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A video that is not circulating.. by the martyr Ghassan Kanafani: “We, as Palestinians, cannot differentiate between Nazareth and Jerusalem, or between the hometown of I am Jaffa and Ramallah in the West Bank or Gaza. For us it is one country.”

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[_Arabia_]

You know who really should be singled out here? There is a large segment of Muslims online who have "bet" on the Chinese and Russian horse and imagine them to be the saviour of the Muslim world.

Take China as an example. They have A LOT of economic leverage on the West and the US in particular. If they truly had a global vision and wanted to replace the US as the superpower of the world, they would long ago have actively allied with the Muslim world and helped put pressure on Israel/West/USA/NATO and push hard for the establishment of Palestine. Same with Russia which is a successor state of the USSR who was otherwise very pro-Palestine on paper at least. We all know the degree of their help to the Arabs at the end of the day during those wars ages ago.

Either that or Russia/China simply do not see the Muslims being worth it or some trust issues.

It is a remarkable opportunity for them that they have both missed. Not sure what else they need or if they will ever get another such opportunity.

BTW I am not anti-China (rather the opposite) or anti-Russia (other than their role in Syria) but from my perspective they have missed a great opportunity here but they are nowhere to be seen outside of empty statements even weaker than those of the Muslim leaderships.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Let us play devils advocate here (I already know the question to this puzzle).

Let us assume that Jordanians get so pissed off that they topple King Abdullah and the Hashemites and a MB-inspired regime/government emerges with a pan-Arab and pan-Islamic viewpoint and with their biggest priority being the liberation of Palestine.

Say that this regime asked Pakistan for nuclear weapons or direct military support that could topple the balance of power (potentially).

Would Pakistan (I am mentioning Pakistan here not because this is a Pakistani forum but because Pakistan is the sole Muslim nuclear power), agree to transfer some of its nuclear weapons and delivery systems (missiles) to Jordan AND allow Jordan to use it on Israel?

Would the Pakistani military (that essentially has ruled Pakistan constantly since 1948) do it when the entire Pakistani military and Pakistani elite are connected closely with the Western world on every front?

How many here believe this would ever occur?

Let me make another though experiment quickly.

Let us assume that the Pakistani military was replaced by a hardcore Islamic government (say a more tolerable version of the TTP or Pakistani Taliban or whatever group there exists) elected by Pakistanis and that government would actively clean the military to put people aligned to their views in power much like what Erdogan has been doing in Turkey with the Kemalists for the past 20 + years.

Even in such a scenario I doubt there would be sufficient bravery to do such a thing? Why? Because the USA/West/NATO/Israel holds all the military, financial cards currently and are able to destroy your nation in return. And I have no doubt that this would actually happen if somebody tried to nuke Israel or the West.

So what exact cards do the Arabs and Muslims exactly hold to defeat/topple the balance in regards to Israel/West/NATO/USA? Can anyone answer in a realistic way because I don't see it and this is probably why the leaderships cannot do anything of note. Either that or all 50 + Muslim leaderships are compromised from Morocco to Indonesia.

And yes, those Arab regimes should never have normalized with Israel but what would them doing it or NOT doing it change on the ground?

The answer is nothing. Israel can behave like they do ONLY due to the UNCONDITIONAL support they enjoy from the West/USA/NATO.

This is the crux of the matter really. Discussing everything else is pointless and a waste of time. All Arab/Muslim states could tomorrow recognize Israel or not recognize it and none of the above would change.

Sad but true.

 

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An Egyptian source: Hamas confirms that it will not participate in the Gaza Strip management during the next stage

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[hussain0216]

Let us assume that is the case.

Now compare small 10-15 million big Jordan here that your compatriots are criticizing a few pages ago.

How do they compare with 250 million big nuclear armed Islamic Republic of Pakistan?
Why cannot 250 million big nuclear armed Islamic Republic of Pakistan not attack the Zionists and the US? What stops Pakistan? Show us all how strong and mighty you are in front of the US/West/NATO and become immortal in the eyes of Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims worldwide. Take the mantle of Muslim leadership.

Your compatriots here are acting like non-Arabs have liberated Palestine, established a Palestinian state, removed Israel and Jews from the face of the planet but in reality you are just as useful or useless as the Arab leaderships you criticize.

Can't be both at least.

And last time I checked the likes of Turkey and Azerbaijan have far closer ties to Israel (even during the war against Gaza) than any Arab state but we don't see so much criticism aimed at them albeit it has to be said that they too get criticism which of course is legitimate.

So why not do what is right here and just say that the entire Muslim world has failed rather than just attack a few small (largely) Arab countries that don't matter much anyway. Talking about UAE, Bahrain, Jordan and Morocco here. Matter much in being able to take on Israel in the first place not to mention that both UAE, Bahrain and Morocco are located far away from Israel, in particular Morocco.

And you won't see me condoning those regimes policies, rather the opposite, I have openly been criticizing them.

Buddy Pakistan is far,, the Arabs are acting like guard dogs for the Jews

You want Pakistan or Indonesia and Iran to circumnavigate the Arabs, go through your countries to protect the Jews from killing Arabs?


Have some shame

 

[_Arabia_]

Sad but true.

OBL was right about that one in regards to the US and them enabling all the evil and injustice in the region courtesy of Israel. Before that it was French and British meddling. The same thing occurs either directly or indirectly only the actors change.

But OBL and his likes (I disagree with them but we cannot deny that they are one of the few who actually took real action and tried to change status quo) by making the most destructive attack on US soil in history (even more of a sole superpower back in 2001) could at least realize where the trouble was eminating from but Muslims today are by large against such actions and have just accepted status quo.

So at the same time we are crying about justice, crying about how unfair everything is, but we don't want to change the status quo or attack our aggressors directly. Those who do are labelled terrorists, extremists etc. Even though what OBL did was not even 1/100.000.000 of the evil that the US has done on civilians in the region and worldwide let alone the West in the past 200-300 years.

Nobody consider Bush Jr. or Bush Sr. to be terrorists even though they were/are much greater terrorists than OBL ever was. FACT.

If there was justice in this world the US would have ceased to exist for all the crimes that they have been responsible for directly and indirectly.

All the blood of those people in Gaza are first and foremost the responsibility of the US.

 

[_Arabia_]

Buddy Pakistan is far,, the Arabs are acting like guard dogs for the Jews

You want Pakistan or Indonesia and Iran to circumnavigate the Arabs, go through your countries to protect the Jews from killing Arabs?


Have some shame

No you have some shame mate. You are not any better than any Arab regime. In fact worse than many Arab regimes (in particular those that have never recognized Israel) as you actually have the population, means, nukes etc. to change status quo in Israel or threaten them to establish Palestine.

Nothing stops Pakistan from sending/smuggling nukes to Arab militias fighting Israel. If the will was there it could be done.

So don't hide behind geography etc. It has no meaning here because otherwise 80% of all Arabs could hide behind Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, Egypt (Sinai with barely any people) being the only Arab countries bordering Israel directly.

Just realize and accept that all Muslim leadership has failed tremendously not only in Gaza/Palestine but anywhere else where Muslims have been suffering in the modern era.

Pakistan/Muslims also failed in Kashmir.

Stop hiding behind a few Arab regimes. It is dishonest and far from the ground reality. Just accept that we have failed as a Muslim Ummah to make the Muslim world united, strong and prosperous as a whole and failed to prevent division and wars/conflicts and that most of us do only care about our own plate at the end of the day.

If this was NOT the case, the world would have looked differently.

 

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