Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Snake]

The state of US media - the swamp is alive but struggling:


Nonchalantly asking about ethnic cleansing. Their default assumption is the Palestinians will leave Gaza. This also shows the character of Trump's trusted man to lead the negotiations.

 

[Unknowntruth]

 

[Khansaheeb]

 

[Khansaheeb]

 

[Khansaheeb]

UK Prime Minister Complicit:-

 

[Mobius]

 

[Mobius]

Very worrying and unacceptable situation in the occupied West Bank. Where is the international community and in particular the lecturers of "human rights, democracy, equality, international law" in particular the West? Where have they been for the past 16 months and decades prior to that?

This song and melody is only used selectively and whenever it suits the West geopolitically.

When they themselves are to be judged by said rules they are never anywhere to be seen.

Is the American public and the public in the UK and elsewhere in Western Europe completely fine with what has been going on and the double standards? What is going on?

What would it take for a US president to say enough is enough and help solve the issue by implementing a fair two-state solution and help end hostilities?

In what world does Israel behaving like a mad dog help/benefit anyone?

I don't want to hear any lectures from the West about any internal affairs in the remaining world whether the Muslim world, China or whatever.

More importantly, we should be asking where the rich Oil Rich Gulf Arabs are? No point asking for the international community, when the people next door are watching on as the Genocide unfolds. Rather than act and force Israeli restraint, they're too busy eating camel biriyani and drinking cava and going to sleep. Absolutely no care in the world about the regional instability about to ensue. The world (especially Muslim world) needs the gulf Arabs to act before they can play their role effectively.

 

[_Arabia_]

More importantly, we should be asking where the rich Oil Rich Gulf Arabs are? No point asking for the international community, when the people next door are watching on as the Genocide unfolds. Rather than act and force Israeli restraint, they're too busy eating camel biriyani and drinking cava and going to sleep. Absolutely no care in he world about the regional instability about to ensue. The world (especially Muslim world) needs the gulf Arabs to act before they can play their role effectively.

Are you not tired of your usual nonsense?

What is it with this "oil rich" nonsense? Arabia is one of the richest regions on the planet in terms of oil, gas, gold and 100's of other minerals and resources. Nobody is going to apologize for Allah (swt) blessing Arabia. Unlike others we did not steal our own wealth from others.

Secondly Palestine is not "next door" for most of Arabia. Thirdly Saudi Arabia is not a "Gulf country". Biriyani is not eaten in Arabia either. We have 100's of various meat dishes. Camel meat (very tasty btw) is 1 out of many meats eaten.

KSA has done its part diplomatically. As for other more drastic steps (military) that is not possible with US/NATO/West around and as long as no other Muslim nation are taking such steps.

Palestine is not the sole responsibility of KSA. We don't even border Palestine or Israel.

Go complain to Jordan and 120 million big Egypt next door which has a border with Gaza and a huge military and military rule since 1953.

 

[Mobius]

Are you not tired of your usual nonsense?

What is it with this "oil rich" nonsense? Arabia is one of the richest regions on the planet in terms of oil, gas, gold and 100's of other minerals and resources. Nobody is going to apologize for Allah (swt) blessing Arabia. Unlike others we did not steal our own wealth from others.

Secondly Palestine is not "next door" for most of Arabia. Thirdly Saudi Arabia is not a "Gulf country". Biriyani is not eaten in Arabia either. We have 100's of various meat dishes. Camel meat (very tasty btw) is 1 out of many meats eaten.

KSA has done its part diplomatically. As for other more drastic steps (military) that is not possible with US/NATO/West around and as long as no other Muslim nation are taking such steps.

Palestine is not the sole responsibility of KSA. We don't even border Palestine or Israel.

Go complain to Jordan and 120 million big Egypt next door which has a border with Gaza and a huge military and military rule since 1953.

1) It's not nonsense - Calling it such is a dis-service to the case. Rather I see it as introspection. How can we expect outsiders to move when our own are sitting idle like Jackals? The Arabs need to set a precedent for the rest of the world to see.

2) Oil-rich is not nonsense, it is a fact. Nobody is asking Arabia to apologise for being rich. What the people are asking is that you use that wealth justly and in the cause of the creator who blessed you. Not drown in excess & luxury to the extent that you forget your humanity and obligation to protect your brothers in need. Unfortunately, they're too busy watching Shakira concerts and promoting Riyadh season.

3) Palestine is next door enough. Stop making excuses to get of assisting them. We all know Saudi is the kingpin in the region. What Saudi says goes. Also as you say Egypt & Jorden must do their part.

4) Have some shame....


5) "KSA has done its part diplomatically. As for other more drastic steps (military) that is not possible with US/NATO/West around and as long as no other Muslim nation are taking such steps."
This is the very definition of nonsense. KSA has done it's part "Diplomatically" for public consumption. None of the Arabs have done anything material to change anything on the ground. I agree militarily they are tied as there is no unity. However, they ca always block trade/oil/supplies/airspace. What's stopping them doing this?

6) I didn't say Palestine is the sole responsibility of KSA. But as the custodian of the 2 holy mosques, they have a major role to play. They must be more pro-active on the policy front at the very least.

7) I'm sure Saudi can also pressure Jordon & Egypt if there was a will. But there unfortunately doesn't seem to be.

So as I said, initially. we can't cry for help from the international community when our very own put their heads in the sand. Very unfortunate indeed.

 

[_Arabia_]

@Mobius

You are repeating mostly nonsense points that you have been repeating 1 billion times already. They don't became less nonsense points due to repeating them constantly.

No matter how much you want to claim otherwise, KSA does not border Palestine/Israel let alone far away Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, UAE and Oman.

What do you expect KSA or the GCC to do exactly?

Israel has the upper hand militarily, politically, financially and on the ground. They keep annexing new land in the West Bank. They have committed war crimes and arguably a genocide in Gaza for the entire world to see without any consequences.

What blockades or trade are you even blabbering about? KSA was behind the biggest/most impactful financial blockade on the West in its history (from outsiders that is) during the oil crisis in the 1970's but did that defeat Israel or stop them? Nowadays such projects are fruitless as the US is self-dependant on oil and gas and so is the larger West and as long as they have oil and gas, Israel will have that as well.

Also what trade are you blabbering about? Arabs/Muslims are completely irrelevant here. Go compare the financial might of the US/West and that of Muslims. The only relevant economies of the Muslim world are KSA (wider GCC), Indonesia and Turkey to begin with.

Why don't you focus on Egypt (in particular), Jordan next door and others? What about Turkey? They are a NATO member, they should be pressuring the their fellow NATO allies. What about Azerbaijan that is providing oil to Israel?

And what about the huge elephant in the room, 250 million big nuclear armed Pakistan? Nothing seen from that front. As in absolutely nothing.

"But let us obsess about KSA and the "Gulf Arabs".

Do you even take seriously what you yourself is writing?

 

[hussain0216]

1) It's not nonsense - Calling it such is a dis-service to the case. Rather I see it as introspection. How can we expect outsiders to move when our own are sitting idle like Jackals? The Arabs need to set a precedent for the rest of the world to see.

2) Oil-rich is not nonsense, it is a fact. Nobody is asking Arabia to apologise for being rich. What the people are asking is that you use that wealth justly and in the cause of the creator who blessed you. Not drown in excess & luxury to the extent that you forget your humanity and obligation to protect your brothers in need. Unfortunately, they're too busy watching Shakira concerts and promoting Riyadh season.

3) Palestine is next door enough. Stop making excuses to get of assisting them. We all know Saudi is the kingpin in the region. What Saudi says goes. Also as you say Egypt & Jorden must do their part.

4) Have some shame....


5) "KSA has done its part diplomatically. As for other more drastic steps (military) that is not possible with US/NATO/West around and as long as no other Muslim nation are taking such steps."
This is the very definition of nonsense. KSA has done it's part "Diplomatically" for public consumption. None of the Arabs have done anything material to change anything on the ground. I agree militarily they are tied as there is no unity. However, they ca always block trade/oil/supplies/airspace. What's stopping them doing this?

6) I didn't say Palestine is the sole responsibility of KSA. But as the custodian of the 2 holy mosques, they have a major role to play. They must be more pro-active on the policy front at the very least.

7) I'm sure Saudi can also pressure Jordon & Egypt if there was a will. But there unfortunately doesn't seem to be.

So as I said, initially. we can't cry for help from the international community when our very own put their heads in the sand. Very unfortunate indeed.

Absolutely,, the Jews control the U.S

And through the U.S they have controlled the Arabs,

This is not something that has benefited the Arabs, it's just humiliated them

The U.S is a curse and if they keep wasting money buying downgraded American junk and making deals to protect Israel then the Arabs of today will go down in historical infamy

Now is the time, to make Israel a pariah and start making deals with China, Turkey, other Arab and Muslim states for a new future

 

[_Arabia_]

Anyway the conflict, if we are to be brutally honest, was already lost with the establishment of Israel back in 1948. Since then it has been damage control with steadily declining fortunes for the Palestinians and more lands being annexed in the West Bank.

In fact it is a miracle that Palestinians are still present in the millions in Palestine/Israel (total overall majority even).

The only thing that Arabs and Muslims can really do is to at all costs prevent Palestinian expulsions to neighbouring Arab states which is the goal of the Zionists and the US/West.

So far the leaderships have done their job on this front.

As long as the US/West/NATO is this closely beholden/dominated to Israel/by Zionist interests, there is no military, financial or political solution.

The only hope is demographical change in the West, Zionist/Jewish influence in the West being weakened and Palestinians remaining steadfast and not losing the demographical battle in Palestine.

It is really this simple. No need to write essays here or create hilarious agendas or blame x or y or create agendas on top of the head of Palestinians. I don't think they like it or frankly care as long as status quo remains the same.

 

[hussain0216]

Anyway the conflict, if we are to be brutally honest, was already lost with the establishment of Israel back in 1948. Since then it has been damage control with steadily declining fortunes for the Palestinians and more lands being annexed in the West Bank.

In fact it is a miracle that Palestinians are still present in the millions in Palestine/Israel (total overall majority even).

The only thing that Arabs and Muslims can really do is to at all costs prevent Palestinian expulsions to neighbouring Arab states which is the goal of the Zionists and the US/West.

So far the leaderships have done their job on this front.

As long as the US/West/NATO is this closely beholden/dominated to Israel/by Zionist interests, there is no military, financial or political solution.

The only hope is demographical change in the West, Zionist/Jewish influence in the West being weakened and Palestinians remaining steadfast and not losing the demographical battle in Palestine.

It is really this simple. No need to write essays here or create hilarious agendas or blame x or y or create agendas on top of the head of Palestinians. I don't think they like it or frankly care as long as status quo remains the same.

No it wasn't.
The conflict is ONGOING

If the Arabs in the 70s and since simply stated that Israel is a colonial apartheid project being forced upon the people of the middle east and the Arab states will not allow any state, or company or individual or corporation who supports Israel to do business or trade with the Arab world

That on its own would have forced the Americans and Europeans to be more rational


What they got from the Arabs was cowardice, stupidity and subservience

So the Americans and Europeans armed the Zionists and covered for them in all international agencies
And the Arabs responded by giving the west TRILLIONS in investment and weapons purchases


The Arabs did this to themselves


They can still grow a spine and change, if they unite, invest in their own countrys and weapons programs, link up with allies and make demands and set red lines

 

[Meengla]

Iran war by Israel/USA in a topic plenty of lies.
Usually USA likes to show as Israel dragging USA against Iran.
Really? have that some sense?
was this Israel orchestrated?

(January 2012)

2011–2012 Strait of Hormuz dispute - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

17 dead after boat capsizes in Strait of Hormuz

Seventeen people died when an Iranian passenger boat capsized in heavy winds after running out of fuel in the Strait of Hormuz, the official IRNA news agency reported on Sunday.

www.abc.net.au

US aircraft carrier sails through Strait of Hormuz

Amid heightened tensions with Iran, an American aircraft carrier has sailed through the Strait of Hormuz into the Persian Gulf. The Navy says it's a routine maneuver.

www.nbcnews.com

It's a topic that deserves to be carefully studied, because I think it's one the biggest fails of USA war plans, they expected Iran response in Hormuz Strait tensions 2011/2012, nothing happened, and their plans were suddenly halted.

The question that must be answered is ... What USA seeks in a Iran war?. And the excuse "Israel dragging USA" is the false pretext to disguise real USA intentions towards Middle East and Middle East energy customers (Europe and Japan).

There is some merit in your post but on the whole, if you posit that America wants to start a war against Iran then that's at least half wrong: Under Obama and then even under Biden, there was actual reaching out to Iran in addition to the JCPOA under Obama, which was BITTERLY opposed by Netanyahu and his lobbies in America. And Obama/Biden combine had ruled the majority of the years since starting 2009, thus they reflect the American electorate and official American policy to at least half the extent.
And you giving minor examples from 2012 are not enough. As Jeffrey Sachs in the video I posted above, 'seven wars' or fronts started by America on Israel's behalf and it is the Israelis--not the Democratic leadership--which wants to drag America into a war against Iran. But to the credit of even the majority Republicans, they too don't want a war against Iran but due to the catastrophic consequences for America itself. Anyone thinks America can duplicate the Iraq War of 2003 on Iran is a total fool!!
But I had quoted you above because of Jeffrey Sachs is asking, if not begging, Europe to look after its own interests and don't be a pawn of America: 'You are a 20 trillion dollar' block!

 

[Falcon29]