Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Falcon29]

@Falcon29

How do you see the determination of Palestinians even in Palestinian lands annexed by Israel in the West Bank? Do you agree with me that such people do not wish to leave their land regardless of who claims to control it? People did not leave when the entire region was controlled by the UK either.

My impression is that Palestinians are attached to the land first and foremost. Has been the case since 1948, during the British Mandate and during the Ottomans (if we only focus on more recent history).

What is the end goal of the Zionists here when even the most radical among them know that the Palestinians and Israeli Arabs (20% of the population) are going nowhere?

It is not like they have succeeded to drive Palestinians out even in the annexed areas.

So is this the multilayered war on Palestinians that is intended to tire/eventually drive people out? It has not worked for 77 years so what should change in the future? This genocide did not change it either so what will if anything?

It is all a mystery to me.

In fact one can easily argue that the entire Zionist project back in 1948 and until 2025 has failed because the Palestinians are still the overall majority in the region. The goal, if you read Zionist literature from the period, was to make a Jewish homeland for Jews. The intention of the Nabka was to drive all Palestinians out of the region. Just like they want to do it today. So far with no success.

As dark as the situation is, the Zionists really don't have much of a solution long-term.

Palestinians are motivated to survive and remain in their land, but that in itself won't prevent ethnic cleansing if genocide/terrorism is employed.

Seems to me they're trying to take violence to the greatest measures possible to achieve this. The US is essentially sponsoring ethnic cleansing by allowing Israel to defy international law and commit crimes against humanity, that otherwise would be punished , without consequence.

That's why the violence has to be stopped. It depends on how much military aid Israel can receive. They will keep using it as they see international law doesn't apply to them, and they could deploy all and any kinds of violence, and media won't report on it. And instead frame it as a ordinary 'war'. If Americans saw 1/50th of what's actually happening, they wouldn't want a penny going to Israel.

The problem is the dirty Jewish-American community which censors this and hides it from the American public, may God curse and destroy them.

 

[Falcon29]

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[Falcon29]

Israel wants to inflame the region -- and disrupts lives of everyone around the world, and cause a economic and political crisis -

Remember this is all to satisfy the insatiable Jewish extremist ego. Just remember when you get stressed out over the fact -- that it's all happening for a small group of Jewish people.

Against the wishes of 9 billion non-Jewish people.

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[Snake]

You did not understand what I wrote. I wrote that the war/conflict began with the defeat of Palestinians in 1948 (read about the Nabka) that lead to the foundation of Israel. The overall conflict was already lost back then if the goal is to remove Israel and Jews altogether from the region. It has been damage control ever since.

Not sure how you can argue otherwise.

You can argue otherwise by looking at apartheid South Africa and seeing it disappear. It's not about removing* the Jews it's about establishing Palestinian/Arab/Muslim rule over the entirety of the land. Once a Palestinian state exists the Jewish state, being illegitimate, may break apart, be slowly overtaken, or just collapse. Fault lines in their society exist and are unstable.

* Even removing the Jews should not be ruled out - if Trump/Yahoo can say it about Palestinians. Nothing should be off the table. Whether it's likely or not doesn't matter.

There is no uniform Muslim leadership anywhere and likely won't be anytime soon. Arabs have no need to or any desire to rule any non-Arabs either. We have enough of land, resources, people etc. Not sure where this idea comes from. Each Muslim nation has enough on their own plate to fix first nor is imposed leadership ever going to work. Mutually beneficial cooperation should be the goal.

You're equating ruling over people with leadership. This does not have to be the case. Leadership can arise out of randomness - 10 years ago Trump's role on the world stage was a comedy routine. Gadaffi too wouldn't have been predicted before his rise.

 

[Aziqbal]

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Should have sent them straight back to the concentration camps

Many of these are actually Nazi

 

[_Arabia_]

You can argue otherwise by looking at apartheid South Africa and seeing it disappear. It's not about removing* the Jews it's about establishing Palestinian/Arab/Muslim rule over the entirety of the land. Once a Palestinian state exists the Jewish state, being illegitimate, may break apart, be slowly overtaken, or just collapse. Fault lines in their society exist and are unstable.

* Even removing the Jews should not be ruled out - if Trump/Yahoo can say it about Palestinians. Nothing should be off the table. Whether it's likely or not doesn't matter.


You're equating ruling over people with leadership. This does not have to be the case. Leadership can arise out of randomness - 10 years ago Trump's role on the world stage was a comedy routine. Gadaffi too wouldn't have been predicted before his rise.

Totally different elements at play in South Africa. Not comparable situations. For starters the Europeans were heavily outnumbered and had no external backers other than Israel ironically. After the West abandoned them, they naturally collapsed. Can you say the same thing about nuclear-armed Israel that has an economic, political, media, military etc. control of the US and West? You live in the US yourself. You are living in a society totally dominated by Jews/Zionists. At least extremely disproportionately compared to their actual numbers. Try challenging this system in the US and see how far you will succeed.

Yes in theory nothing is off the table, not claimed otherwise, nor are the changes or status quo irreversible (as I clearly wrote in the post that you quote), that we agree with.

To be able to exercise leadership you need to have direct rule over country, society, military, company whatever x or y. Leadership ability comes through strength. In today's world this means military and financial strength. You could argue this was always the case.

Who/which single Muslim country or Muslim ethnic group (if we assume that they are all unified under one banner to begin with which is far from being the case) is able to do that today or in the immediate future? Who is even interested in it with everything that comes along with it of responsibility, hardship, problems etc.?

Pakistan could potentially do it if its economy was 10 + times stronger/larger, it's cultural/religious influence and geography was larger. You have the military (nukes) and numbers (population) but that alone is just that. We all know that Pakistan has a lot of internal improvement to do let alone trying to play the role of the US in the Muslim world. You still have quite some challenges/problems with next door Afghanistan. Now imagine that times 200 if Pakistan was to rule the entire Muslim world. Good luck.

A better and more realistic option is for each Muslim nation to improve on their own and let them organically create regional blocs that would later be able to grow in strength. How the EU was created in Europe and how the US emerged as a state later to swallow up the entire West, Midwest, South etc.

 

[Dalit]

More importantly, we should be asking where the rich Oil Rich Gulf Arabs are? No point asking for the international community, when the people next door are watching on as the Genocide unfolds. Rather than act and force Israeli restraint, they're too busy eating camel biriyani and drinking cava and going to sleep. Absolutely no care in the world about the regional instability about to ensue. The world (especially Muslim world) needs the gulf Arabs to act before they can play their role effectively.

I don't want to hear their name anymore. Let these Gulf Arabs figure it out among themselves.

We can't do anything for the Palestinians. Absolutely nothing. All these months I have been hearing and reading the same broken record over and over again.

 

[Dalit]

This is why no Muslim should accept Arabian leadership - their willingness to surrender has such a low threshold. If it ended in 1948 how did Arafat come out with a credible deal with Rabin? If the conflict is over explain this map of countries that recognize PalestineView attachment 103789
Gadaffi was probably the last good Arab leader all the tools like MbS and MbZ should follow someone else but they were put in place by zionists and zionist sympathizers. Honestly it's great that Arabs and Iranians are slowly but surely leaving the vacuum for true Muslim leadership to develop. They are no longer suitable to lead and should follow.

We need to break the hold of these Gulf Arabs. Time has come to quit the Arab dominated OIC. This is just a cult meant to dominate and hold power. It hasn't yielded any results. Time has come for separate blocs. Let these Arabs run their OIC and Arab league. That is the best thing non-Arab Islamic states can do at this moment.

 

[Shags101]

Court nixes hearing after PM cites ongoing discussions of ‘foundation of our existence’

After describing ‘historic turning point,' Netanyahu to meet ministers Tuesday morning instead; judges agree to discuss reducing premier's testimony from 3 hearings per week to 2

www.timesofisrael.com

Something is about to happen very soon

 

[Persian Gulf]

“To be honest, it’s embarrassing to admit that a handful of Palestinians in Gaza fooled us,” says a retired senior Israeli military official who was involved in the investigations. “If Hezbollah had carried out the strategic surprise, everyone would have admitted it right away, because they are an enemy that is regarded with respect in the IDF. But these, the ‘primitives’ from Gaza? They couldn’t have fooled us.”

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Israel had devoted huge resources to preparing for war with Hezbollah, believing Hamas was not interested in a total war with Israel, as Hamas leaders were able to cultivate this false perception through shrewd actions, misleading Israeli analysts and leaders.

 

[Persian Gulf]

In March 2022, Unit 8200 successfully intercepted the latest version of Hamas’s attack plan, codenamed “Jericho Wall.” But this document was not linked to the previous versions that were stored in the archives of Unit 8200, and no one in the Southern Command or the Gaza Division took it seriously.

The document revealed amazing details about Hamas' plan:

- 3,000 fighters infiltrated through gaps in the border wall using six engineering battalions.
-Attacking key Israeli military sites, such as the Ra'im base and command centers in the Southern Military Division.
- Carrying out large-scale sabotage operations, including targeting the Ashkelon power station, the 8200 base, and the Urim intelligence base.
-Restricting the capabilities of the Israeli army by striking its intelligence and reconnaissance systems.

 

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10 aid trucks from Iran have arrived Jabalia camp in the northern Gaza Strip, a gift from the Iranian people to the resisting Palestinian people, on behalf of the soul of the martyr Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah.

 

[Falcon29]

Court nixes hearing after PM cites ongoing discussions of ‘foundation of our existence’

After describing ‘historic turning point,' Netanyahu to meet ministers Tuesday morning instead; judges agree to discuss reducing premier's testimony from 3 hearings per week to 2

www.timesofisrael.com

Something is about to happen very soon

It's all for show. West lead by US are directing a Holocaust through the terrorist Jews of the region, with the goal in mind of expelling Palestinians from their territories. They asked Egypt to facilitate during Trump's first term. To move Palestinians to Sinai then from there, spread them out around the world.

Egypt rejected it, so they were crafting a military strategy to achieve it. When Israel asked Pentagon to approve this military plan, and provide the funds and arms to undertake it, it wasn't crafted overnight. The idea to flatten northern Gaza and force Palestinians to the south and from there into Egypt -- has been long in the making. And US has direct knowledge of it for a long time.