Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Kyussis]

there is no evidence that Hamas acted on instructions of anyone else. this operation was planned for years and only a few very senior commanders within Hamas knew about it until the day itself.

Israelis want to portray the Palestinian resistance as being controlled by Iran, and it is sad that many Sunni Muslims still fall for these games.

Palestinians have autonomy and make their own decisions. just ask the Palestinians on this forum if they agree that Hamas is merely a pawn of Iran. They certainly weren't a pawn of Iran when they opposed Assad and broke off ties with Iran.

These idiots would rather see Israel Genocide every last Palestinian than to help liberate Palestine because Iran is on the side of the Palestinians!

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

I struggled to understand this post

Israel fought a 7 front war simultaneously and achieved huge victories and severely degraded its enemies

Egypt and Turkey are too busy doing trade with Israel and will never fight Israel

The prerogative rests with Israel. Egypt could be reticent, subjugated lot, humbled and trying to do everything right by zion. But Israeli regional compulsions will always propel them to degrade, friend or foe alike in a battle for regional primacy.
Iran was and remains a target not because Iran one day chose to undo zion. The testimonies of miliekowsky in US senate hearings and US plans post 9/11 were to dismantle all resistance to Israel on its wake. Would it matter that Iran has Shah or Ayatollah as supreme leader? No...
Instability is the goal... until zion gains ultimate mass and spawns the devil incarnate.

Take Syria for example, they would have been perfectly fine with an ongoing civil war. But with the precipitous collapse of Assad caused the total recalibration of that front... which poses a unified front... either in the short term or one built up overtime.

 

[Kyussis]

If Iran is a ideological enemy to Israel shouldn't it intervene in this situation? If Israel and the US do commit a major aggression against people of Gaza? Or it doesn't have desire for war against Israel, which I guess would make it like Egypt, no?

If Iran was to ever go into a direct war against Israel. The Arabs in the region have shown that they will come to Israel's aid!

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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"Channel 13 Israel: Estimates indicate that Hamas had about 30,000 fighters before the war, and the situation is now beginning to become similar"

 

[925boy]

Loaded with emergency medical supplies..
The arrival of a new Saudi relief convoy to central and southern Gaza

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These pictures are simple but powerful- they remind us that when the world thinks of what Arab nations have done in Gaza, they only think of AID TRUCKS, because that's about all they have done for Palestinians in a long time (plus some diplomatic support).

 

[The SC]

An Israeli channel: What has been revealed only 10% of the failure of October 7

قناة إسرائيلية: ما تم كشفه 10% فقط من فشل 7 أكتوبر

قناة إسرائيلية: ما تم كشفه 10% فقط من فشل 7 أكتوبر

t.co

 

[Oscar]

So, might is right!
And I agree that at the end of the day zion was going to push it's way at it own discretion.

However, this only prolonged because they had reached the maximum output of military power and inability to force a change. To that end NO ONE has access nor ability to support Gaza in any single metric.
Abraham Accords are not meant to help Palestinians and way shape or form. They were designed to obviate Palestinian.
Miliekowsky stood at the UN with the new map and trade corridor, IMEC. Earlier that summer they had already passed regulations to develop gas deposits off of Gaza ...

This was goong down... with or without resistance...

It was set up post Camp David failure - the GCC no longer wants this “headache” to them but does not want riots in the streets.

There is a greater Israel mentality in play now which has been nurtured through settlers and neocon narratives - almost like a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Oscar]

there is no evidence that Hamas acted on instructions of anyone else. this operation was planned for years and only a few very senior commanders within Hamas knew about it until the day itself.

Israelis want to portray the Palestinian resistance as being controlled by Iran, and it is sad that many Sunni Muslims still fall for these games.

Palestinians have autonomy and make their own decisions. just ask the Palestinians on this forum if they agree that Hamas is merely a pawn of Iran. They certainly weren't a pawn of Iran when they opposed Assad and broke off ties with Iran.

I don’t believe they are a pawn but they do not act so boldly without assurances. Could be from Iran or could even be their read of Netenyahu - regardless - Hamas did no favors to Palestinians but not like Fatah or PA have been effective either. There is no true interest for a two state in the west - compounded by poor leadership on the Palestinian side.

 

[Oscar]

Setting aside Arab, Iranian, Western influence and distilling the issue to bare bones we know the Jewish state was/is the source of the conflict and that is the cause of Palestinian suffering. The initial unrealistic demand was by the Jews who wanted the land for themselves. Even now "ethnic cleansing" is an unrealistic demand, the recent ground invasion was unrealistic, stopping humanitarian aid, etc. That is to say unrealistic is just a matter of perspective and at the very least we should not impose that on the victims.

I think that's what you mean by the boldened part in the quote above.

Please share what you mean by "...burnt many times via Arafat's ego..." My statement about Arafat related to his delay in agreeing to the deal. He sought broader Arab agreement. If he had signed first it would have been "a bird in the hand" type of deal.


This latest conflict is a "battle of two tails", often times it was discussed whether the US was leading Jewish state's policy or was the tail wagging the dog. It is the same for Hamas and Iran, I don't believe there is evidence Iran orchestrated or even supported the October 8th attack.

The Jewish state is not helpless to retaliate especially to this degree neither are the Americans to unconditionally support it. It's not the west bank civilians are in a bind because there is no one to help them, they are in this bind because the Jewish state is an apartheid state. Similarly Gaza is not left in ruins because of Hamas' actions. Gaza is in ruins because of the Jewish state's actions.

Whether or not the Abraham accords succeed is not guaranteed. This is opinion but based on how the UAE was treated with their "Abraham accord" and considering the Saudis want "steps" outlined for a Palestinian state and not the acknowledgement of that state by the Jewish state and US it is doubtful they will lead to anything substantial.

So let me get this straight - you’re suggesting that Hamas’s miscalculation in providing Israeli hardliners an excuse absolves it of any responsibility for escalating the conflict?

And yes - a bird in hand would have gotten something and no it wasn’t pure “wider consensus”. Arafat overplayed his hand throughout history - be it here or Black September.

 

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