Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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If you look at it historically,terrorist attacks agitated things further and made it progressively worse for the Palestinians.

Exactly that,that's my point. And it also pushes the other side to more extremist elements. They think "If Arabs want to kill us,f them let the army exterminate them all". That's how this mentality goes on. And I'm not talking about the settlers who are already religious fanatics in their majority,I'm talking about the more moderate members,both secular and religious.
I’m sorry I’m not one to advocate violence and in a perfect world we could all sit down and talk rationally either one state one people or two separate lands with 2 separate people but that’s not the world we live in occupation is the root cause and Zionism is at its core Muslims Christian’s and Jews and whoever else lived a fairly peaceful coexistence before Zionists from Europe arrived Hamas and groups like it are the byproduct of Zionism sad truth
 
before Zionists from Europe arrived Hamas and groups like it are the byproduct of Zionism sad truth
The problem is,a lot of people here don't want to consider the other side having made mistakes as well,it's only about Zio-Zio and they only consider Israelis to have been barbaric on this matter ever since 1948. There were more favorable times to talk and negotiate,but Arabs wouldn't easily do that. Then Israelis kept winning wars and didn't have much reason to do that. The problem started when Pals started thinking only terror is the answer and that's what turned Israeli society largely indifferent to their plight or any negotiations.
 
The problem is,a lot of people here don't want to consider the other side having made mistakes as well,it's only about Zio-Zio and they only consider Israelis to have been barbaric on this matter ever since 1948. There were more favorable times to talk and negotiate,but Arabs wouldn't easily do that. Then Israelis kept winning wars and didn't have much reason to do that. The problem started when Pals started thinking only terror is the answer and that's what turned Israeli society largely indifferent to their plight or any negotiations.
Israelis society has always been indifferent to the Palestinians. Their position uptill the 1990's was "there are no Palestinians". The Zionist expectation of Palestinians was that they would go quietly into the night after the destruction of Palestine in 1948.

lets agree to disagree here and bring the discussion back to Gaza with this article in Axios about how the latest plan came together.


What's interesting here is Jared Kushner is still involved and the idea of a transitional authority led by Tony Blair has been cooking for awhile.
 
Their position uptill the 1990's was "there are no Palestinians". The Zionist expectation of Palestinians was that they would go quietly into the night after the destruction of Palestine in 1948.
They say there's no Palestinians,there's Arabs. They're not saying "there's no people there". Of course they also go out saying "this is our land and we're entitled to it",but the problem is Trump's deal has some holes and Netanyahu is trying to change it even more.
 
The problem is,a lot of people here don't want to consider the other side having made mistakes as well,it's only about Zio-Zio and they only consider Israelis to have been barbaric on this matter ever since 1948. There were more favorable times to talk and negotiate,but Arabs wouldn't easily do that. Then Israelis kept winning wars and didn't have much reason to do that. The problem started when Pals started thinking only terror is the answer and that's what turned Israeli society largely indifferent to their plight or any negotiations.
Root cause are the zionists. They murder, steal, lie and never keep to their promises. They also fund Palestinian groups to ensure they are not united and fight amongst one another. The main problem is occupation. Hamas even back in 2019 accepted Israel with 67 borders.
 
The problem is,a lot of people here don't want to consider the other side having made mistakes as well,it's only about Zio-Zio and they only consider Israelis to have been barbaric on this matter ever since 1948. There were more favorable times to talk and negotiate,but Arabs wouldn't easily do that. Then Israelis kept winning wars and didn't have much reason to do that. The problem started when Pals started thinking only terror is the answer and that's what turned Israeli society largely indifferent to their plight or any negotiations.
sorry out of curiosity I always try to give you the benefit of the doubt the Israelis were committing acts of terror before the so called war of independence and many after plo and groups that came about were to defend Palestinian people let’s be clear I don’t hate Jews or Israelis I have deep disgust for Zionism and yeah not so crazy about people on my side that commit acts of violence on innocent people but yeah we live in cycle of violence and yeah in Palestine the root of the problem started from Zionist’s and just spread like a ugly weed that can’t be pulled out so here we are today.
 
Root cause are the zionists. They murder, steal, lie and never keep to their promises. They also fund Palestinian groups to ensure they are not united and fight amongst one another. The main problem is occupation. Hamas even back in 2019 accepted Israel with 67 borders.
Hey I just read this we both said the root cause is Zionism I didn’t even read your post lol but Hamas and pa need to both go into retirement they are two old boys that just want a o cling to their power I definitely believe both sides have people who care about the cause and their people but when you see many these guys living the high life in Qatar uae turkey and etc you start wondering
 
And it also pushes the other side to more extremist elements. They think "If Arabs want to kill us,f them let the army exterminate them all". That's how this mentality goes on. And I'm not talking about the settlers who are already religious fanatics in their majority,I'm talking about the more moderate members,both secular and religious.

Let's not kid ourselves. The Israelis need no help in being pushed in any direction. Their entire social system is built on otherizing the Palestinians to exact exactly such barbarity. When an Israeli toddler is being indoctrinated to hate all Palestinians in preschool, there's nothing that Hamas can or cannot do to help mitigate the Israeli hatred. It takes years of systemic conditioning to produce kids who are ok with killing innocent infants.

What it will do is not allow Israel the freedom of painting Palestinians as they wish. Had Hamas not attacked civilians, the world sentiment against Israel that you see today could have been possible a year ago.
 
It takes years of systemic conditioning to produce kids who are ok with killing innocent infants.
Sorry,but same goes on the radical Pal side,especially Hamas,PIJ etc. And it's happened many times as well. We have to call a spade,a spade.
When an Israeli toddler is being indoctrinated to hate all Palestinians in preschool,
Hamas even had such shows on TV for kids.
 
Sorry,but same goes on the radical Pal side,especially Hamas,PIJ etc. And it's happened many times as well. We have to call a spade,a spade.

Hamas even had such shows on TV for kids.

I don't doubt that but this argument conveniently ignores who started and now perpetuates the occupation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. The two positions are not equal, you can't both-sides it. The Israelis can wail about it once they've let a Palestinian State be established. Short of that they have no leg to stand on.

I have no doubt how you and I would have reacted had we been subjected to what the Palestinians have. The hate Palestinians feel is natural, the hate Israelis are fed is manufactured.
 
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Very reasonable from Hamas :
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According to a source in Hamas

The movement demands that Israel not return to war

The movement demanded the necessity of distinguishing between its offensive weapon and the other defensive one

Netanyahu introduced amendments to Trump's plan and we have the same right

The movement requested that the administration of the sector be through a Palestinian committee, not an international one

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I don't doubt that but this argument conveniently ignores who started and now perpetuates the occupation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. The two positions are not equal, you can't both-sides it. The Israelis can wail about it once they've let a Palestinian State be established. Short of that they have no leg to stand on.
I think it's already been well-established who perpetuates occupation and genocide,the problem is some people here see Hamas as a benevolent organisation and have an "if you don't like them,you hate Palestinians" attitude.
 
Very reasonable from Hamas :
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According to a source in Hamas

The movement demands that Israel not return to war

The movement demanded the necessity of distinguishing between its offensive weapon and the other defensive one

Netanyahu introduced amendments to Trump's plan and we have the same right

The movement requested that the administration of the sector be through a Palestinian committee, not an international one

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Means Hamas will give up rockets, mortars, mortar and rocket launchers to Egyptian Committee

Will retain small arms/defensive armor weapons to protect Gaza from ground incursion

But anything that can be used to fire at Israel will be handed over to Egypt
 
I think it's already been well-established who perpetuates occupation and genocide,the problem is some people here see Hamas as a benevolent organisation and have an "if you don't like them,you hate Palestinians" attitude.
As a Palestinian you can dislike Hamas, not every Palestinians likes Hamas. Many Palestinians disagree with Hamas.

HOWEVER

Hamas is a byproduct of occupation, ethnic cleansing, oppression, etc

If Hamas disappeared tomorrow another group by a different name will just be created as long as this injustice exists.

If they do not want violet resistance then they should look deep down and stop fueling the flames that creates this. They do not want peace but want all of Palestine without the Palestinians so they will continue to oppress and stoke people into fighting to break out this cage they put Palestinians in.
 
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