Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

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The main thing Hamas did was speed up what was going to happen to Gaza over the next 75 yrs. And because it happened over 4 months instead of 75 yrs, the world was able to see its brutality and genocide. The cost may have been unbearable for the people of Gaza, but if not for the conflict, the same atrocities would have been committed in the dark over the next the 75 years.

You may be right, but what good does it do for the innocent children being killed, maimed, orphaned and starved right now? That their suffering will serve the purpose of showing the world Israel's brutality so they must bear it? Who decided this fate for them and why, and more importantly, in whose interest is it to keep on this never-ending advertisement of brutality continuing for the world to see?
 
Think about it like this, the Palestinians are making the sacrifice to both free themselves from brutal apartheid occupation and free Al Aqsa for all of us

As I said above, you may be right, but what good does it do for the innocent children being killed, maimed, orphaned and starved right now? That their suffering will serve the purpose of showing the world Israel's brutality so they must bear it? Who decided this fate for them and why, and more importantly, in whose interest is it to keep on this never-ending advertisement of brutality continuing for the world to see?
 
It exposed Israel for the pariah state it has always been. Their media manipulation and the extent of their infiltration in western political systems will not save them. Times are changing and people are waking up to this cancer.

As I said above, you may be right, but what good does it do for the innocent children being killed, maimed, orphaned and starved right now? That their suffering will serve the purpose of showing the world Israel's brutality so they must bear it? Who decided this fate for them and why, and more importantly, in whose interest is it to keep on this never-ending advertisement of brutality continuing for the world to see?
 
As I said above, you may be right, but what good does it do for the innocent children being killed, maimed, orphaned and starved right now? That their suffering will serve the purpose of showing the world Israel's brutality so they must bear it? Who decided this fate for them and why, and more importantly, in whose interest is it to keep on this never-ending advertisement of brutality continuing for the world to see?
I agree with what you are saying. This war needs to be stopped now. I haven’t said anything different.

I’m just pointing out something drastically needs to change to stop this from happening again after this genocidal “war” is stopped. The oppression and occupation Palestinians face is the root cause of this problem and the dream of Palestine without the Palestinians.
 
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    Elder of Ziyon

Gaza is where the world's double standards for Jews and double standards for Muslims intersect


It has been 144 days.

Not one human rights organization, not one major media outlet, not one world government, not one UN agency has publicly called on Arab countries to open their borders for Gazans in a war zone to flee.

This is unlike every other war in modern history. Millions of Ukrainians, Syrians, Somalians, Sudanese and other refugees flee war zones all the time and the world's human rights organizations and editorialists relentlessly call for borders to be opened and for refugees to be treated humanely.

Except for Gaza.

And as far as I can tell, not one reporter - not one! - has bothered asking HRW and Amnesty and Gisha and UNRWA - or even the State Department or white House - what their official position is on Egypt's and Jordan's refusal to allow any Gazans to seek safety within their borders.

It is astonishing. Not a single major group, organization, pundit or nation who claim to care about the welfare of the civilians of Gaza is willing to even express a passing public criticism of Egypt's and Jordan's quite public proclamations that they will not allow a single Palestinian to flee to safety.

There are two overlapping sets of double standards for Gaza.

One is discussed quite a bit: antisemitism. The very charge of "genocide" that is only hurled at Israel and no other nation at war can only be explained by hatred of Jews. The demands that Israel behave in ways that no one else is expected to are antisemitic. The suspicion that Israel's statements are suspect, that their claims and evidence must be corroborated before they can be believed no matter how much evidence is produced, is classic antisemitism where Jews are considered shifty and always scheming.


The other double standard is Islam-phobia, the very real fear of Islam that has been exhibited in the West since the 19th century, not to be confused with "Islamophobia."

No one wants to admit it aloud, but there is a great fear in the West of upsetting Muslims, who are regarded as irrational creatures who might just decide to attack you if you make them angry. And many Muslims take full advantage of this fear, threatening violence or terrorism that could somehow result if they don't get their way.

If anyone would publicly call on Egypt to open its borders to Gazans, the Egyptian government would react with great anger - it would suspend relations with any country, it would expel or imprison any human rights workers, it would embark on a smear campaign against any pundits, it would self-righteously say that its policy is the most humane policy possible for Palestinians and no one would dare contradict them.

And Islam-phobia ensures that no one wants to shame Egypt or prompt such reactions. "Speaking truth to power" only applies to power that doesn't act irrationally or violently. It directly leads to the deaths of thousands of civilians.

The violence we are now seeing in Western cities and campuses, ostensibly in defense of Palestinians, is partly a result of Western reluctance to appear "Islamophobic" in acting against the lesser offenses of "only" blocking major transportation routes.

No one wants to criticize Palestinians for overwhelmingly supporting the mass murder of Jewish civilians. Calls for a "ceasefire" begin and end with Israel. Calls for Hamas to release hostages are pro forma and forced, while calls for Israel to stop fighting and allow Hamas to win are strident and angry.

This overlapping of Islam-phobia and antisemitism has some surprising commonalities. In both cases, context is anathema.

No one wants to compare how Egypt is expected to act with Gazans with how they are expected to act with other people seeking refuge from war.

No one wants to compare Israeli actions with the behavior of the US and Britain and Germany in various Muslim theatres of war.

Almost no one wants to seriously publish the IDF's extensive controls in place to minimize civilian harm and how difficult that is in an urban war with Hamas hiding beneath civilians. Very few seriously compare Israel's actions with real international law, instead creating new rules for Israel that have never been applied anywhere else.

Gaza is where the double standards for Jews and the double standards for Muslims intersect.


 
Almost no one wants to seriously publish the IDF's extensive controls in place
This quote there just showed what garbage article you just linked. There is extensive independent evidence of the israeli terror forces commiting numerous atrocities, their members saying they killed thousands of malakites, they are filming it and publishing it for god sake and people like you post this crap.

The zionists have lost the PR battle, most normal people can see this is a racist hateful ideology which needs condemning like nazism.
 
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    Elder of Ziyon

Gaza is where the world's double standards for Jews and double standards for Muslims intersect


It has been 144 days.

Not one human rights organization, not one major media outlet, not one world government, not one UN agency has publicly called on Arab countries to open their borders for Gazans in a war zone to flee.

This is unlike every other war in modern history. Millions of Ukrainians, Syrians, Somalians, Sudanese and other refugees flee war zones all the time and the world's human rights organizations and editorialists relentlessly call for borders to be opened and for refugees to be treated humanely.

Except for Gaza.

And as far as I can tell, not one reporter - not one! - has bothered asking HRW and Amnesty and Gisha and UNRWA - or even the State Department or white House - what their official position is on Egypt's and Jordan's refusal to allow any Gazans to seek safety within their borders.

It is astonishing. Not a single major group, organization, pundit or nation who claim to care about the welfare of the civilians of Gaza is willing to even express a passing public criticism of Egypt's and Jordan's quite public proclamations that they will not allow a single Palestinian to flee to safety.

There are two overlapping sets of double standards for Gaza.

One is discussed quite a bit: antisemitism. The very charge of "genocide" that is only hurled at Israel and no other nation at war can only be explained by hatred of Jews. The demands that Israel behave in ways that no one else is expected to are antisemitic. The suspicion that Israel's statements are suspect, that their claims and evidence must be corroborated before they can be believed no matter how much evidence is produced, is classic antisemitism where Jews are considered shifty and always scheming.


The other double standard is Islam-phobia, the very real fear of Islam that has been exhibited in the West since the 19th century, not to be confused with "Islamophobia."

No one wants to admit it aloud, but there is a great fear in the West of upsetting Muslims, who are regarded as irrational creatures who might just decide to attack you if you make them angry. And many Muslims take full advantage of this fear, threatening violence or terrorism that could somehow result if they don't get their way.

If anyone would publicly call on Egypt to open its borders to Gazans, the Egyptian government would react with great anger - it would suspend relations with any country, it would expel or imprison any human rights workers, it would embark on a smear campaign against any pundits, it would self-righteously say that its policy is the most humane policy possible for Palestinians and no one would dare contradict them.

And Islam-phobia ensures that no one wants to shame Egypt or prompt such reactions. "Speaking truth to power" only applies to power that doesn't act irrationally or violently. It directly leads to the deaths of thousands of civilians.

The violence we are now seeing in Western cities and campuses, ostensibly in defense of Palestinians, is partly a result of Western reluctance to appear "Islamophobic" in acting against the lesser offenses of "only" blocking major transportation routes.

No one wants to criticize Palestinians for overwhelmingly supporting the mass murder of Jewish civilians. Calls for a "ceasefire" begin and end with Israel. Calls for Hamas to release hostages are pro forma and forced, while calls for Israel to stop fighting and allow Hamas to win are strident and angry.

This overlapping of Islam-phobia and antisemitism has some surprising commonalities. In both cases, context is anathema.

No one wants to compare how Egypt is expected to act with Gazans with how they are expected to act with other people seeking refuge from war.

No one wants to compare Israeli actions with the behavior of the US and Britain and Germany in various Muslim theatres of war.

Almost no one wants to seriously publish the IDF's extensive controls in place to minimize civilian harm and how difficult that is in an urban war with Hamas hiding beneath civilians. Very few seriously compare Israel's actions with real international law, instead creating new rules for Israel that have never been applied anywhere else.

Gaza is where the double standards for Jews and the double standards for Muslims intersect.


The only double standard that exists is the one that allows another group to colonize another people then blame them for their own oppression.
 
...Not a tear about the bombing of women and children!!]
...To be clear: as a matter of human worth, a child who dies at the hands of a genocidal murderer is no different from one who dies as collateral damage in a lawful attack. The child is equally innocent, and the parents’ sorrow equally profound. As a matter of international law, however, the difference is decisive. During the Hamas attack, terrorists intentionally murdered children and raped women. Its charter calls for the destruction of the Jewish state. Yet the accusation of genocide is being made against Israel.

These relevant facts matter for putting the genocide charge into the context of potential antisemitism. Neither South Africa nor other states have brought a genocide case against China for its conduct in Tibet or Xinjiang, or against Russia for its invasion of Ukraine. There is something specifically noteworthy about leveling the charge at the Jewish state—something intertwined with the new narrative of the Jews as archetypal oppressors rather than archetypal victims. Call it the genocide sleight of hand: if the Jews are depicted as genocidal—if Israel becomes the very archetype of a genocidal state—then Jews are much less likely to be conceived as a historically oppressed people engaged in self-defense.

The new narrative of Jews as oppressors is, in the end, far too close for comfort to the antisemitic tradition of singling out Jews as uniquely deserving of condemnation and punishment, whether in its old religious form or its Nazi iteration. Like those earlier forms of antisemitism, the new kind is not ultimately about the Jews, but about the human impulse to point the finger at someone who can be made to carry the weight of our social ills. Oppression is real. Power can be exercised without justice. Israel should not be immune from criticism when it acts wrongfully. Yet the horrific history and undefeated resilience of antisemitism mean that modes of rhetorical attack on Israel and on Jews should be subject to careful scrutiny -
 
Can any Pakistani boast of having publicly and powerfully debated with their fellows the idea that the Palestinian Arabs of Gaza are now and have always been in the wrong whereas the Israelis are in the right? That the Israelis are the good guys and the Palestinians the bad guys?
You can debate wrong things hamas may have done i for one would never condone violence against innocent civilians.

Question is can the supporters of israel admit and accept Israel has gone way too far and the clear evidence of executions of women and children should be condemed, alas their supporters just make up excuses or say its a lie. What a disgusting racist bunch zionists are.
 
I agree with what you are saying. This war needs to be stopped now. I haven’t said anything different.

I’m just pointing out something drastically needs to change to stop this from happening again after this genocidal “war” is stopped. The oppression and occupation Palestinians face is the root cause of this problem and the dream of Palestine without the Palestinians.

And yet neither side is budging even in the slightest to make it possible to stop the current carnage.
 
There is extensive independent evidence of the israeli terror forces commiting numerous atrocities -
Such accusations against Israel are almost always senstationalist, tending to melt under scrutiny. But the important bit, to you, is that Zionists are always in the wrong, yes? Anything that shows or proves otherwise must be ignored or ridiculed, right?
 
This quote there just showed what garbage article you just linked. There is extensive independent evidence of the israeli terror forces commiting numerous atrocities, their members saying they killed thousands of malakites, they are filming it and publishing it for god sake and people like you post this crap.

The zionists have lost the PR battle, most normal people can see this is a racist hateful ideology which needs condemning like nazism.

Lipstick on a pig!
It has been all along... from nakba to this day... been sold the same hashed out in a different packaging from the onset. All they can do is rinse and repeat. Afterall it worked for so long... it provided just enough context and compartmentalized information and masses so much that no true picture could emerge. And when it does and dawns on an average Joe, it hits like a ton of bricks... the whole narrative collapses... it had no legs to stand on from the get go.

So, him and his likes will purposefully play dumb and blind to amplify dumb and blind... obfuscation and coercion at it's finest.
 
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You can debate wrong things hamas may have done i for one would never condone violence against innocent civilians.
condone = accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue. So if you don't condone something, you must criminalize those who perpetuate it. Like Hamas.
... accept Israel has gone way too far and the clear evidence of executions of women and children should be condemed -
Just phony propaganda to salve your feelings.

You do know why Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, right?
 
As I said above, you may be right, but what good does it do for the innocent children being killed, maimed, orphaned and starved right now? That their suffering will serve the purpose of showing the world Israel's brutality so they must bear it? Who decided this fate for them and why, and more importantly, in whose interest is it to keep on this never-ending advertisement of brutality continuing for the world to see?

There are 2 strategies adopted by Palestinians

1. FATAH : NEGOTIATION + DIPLOMACY while being patience in the process

2.HAMAS : By military means conducted by rag tag HAMAS Army

HAMAS do what they beleive and RESULT is Gaza is destroyed with 30.000 civilians killled, mostly kids, women, babies. Gazan are kick out and cornered in South Gaza.

What we see : Those who support HAMAS never want to acknowledge their mistake due to STUBBORNESS and EGO.

Hardline ISRAELI will be happy to see another HAMAS attact as the Palestinians will be more kicked and killed.

HAMAS ideology will keep alive (DESPITE WHAT HAPPEN IN GAZA NOW) as long there are people who support them and you see them dominate this thread conversations
 
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