IWT.

Brainstorming Options for Pakistan:

- Use diplomacy and legal channels based on arbitration framework within IWT. This should be an easy win.

- Expose India’s water terrorism and publicize India’s role in fermenting terrorism in Pakistan and funding groups in Afghanistan.

- Raise the stakes. Keep an aggressive posture militarily against India on our eastern borders. And not only a conventional military posture. That may force the international community’s hand.

The argument is not whether Pakistan has current capacity to store water it has the right to, but not to be bullied by a larger neighbor that doesn’t want to commit to international treaties.

Suffice to say, there will be negative repercussions Pakistan will need to absorb. Unfortunately that is the extent Pakistan has to go.
 
Brainstorming Options for Pakistan:

- Use diplomacy and legal channels based on arbitration framework within IWT. This should be an easy win.

- Expose India’s water terrorism and publicize India’s role in fermenting terrorism in Pakistan and funding groups in Afghanistan.

- Raise the stakes. Keep an aggressive posture militarily against India on our eastern borders. And not only a conventional military posture. That may force the international community’s hand.

The argument is not whether Pakistan has current capacity to store water it has the right to, but not to be bullied by a larger neighbor that doesn’t want to commit to international treaties.

Suffice to say, there will be negative repercussions Pakistan will need to absorb. Unfortunately that is the extent Pakistan has to go.
One more option is to begin convincing China to block or divert the waters flowing into India. That will be a long term project but if handled with skill is doable. India is modeling the Zios now and only respects force and cunning.
 
Brainstorming Options for Pakistan:

- Use diplomacy and legal channels based on arbitration framework within IWT. This should be an easy win.

- Expose India’s water terrorism and publicize India’s role in fermenting terrorism in Pakistan and funding groups in Afghanistan.

- Raise the stakes. Keep an aggressive posture militarily against India on our eastern borders. And not only a conventional military posture. That may force the international community’s hand.

The argument is not whether Pakistan has current capacity to store water it has the right to, but not to be bullied by a larger neighbor that doesn’t want to commit to international treaties.

Suffice to say, there will be negative repercussions Pakistan will need to absorb. Unfortunately that is the extent Pakistan has to go.
Bro, that's how an independent, self-respecting leader thinks.

Our leaders are actually thinking:
  • How to shift myself & 2nd wife to KSA
  • How to shift 1st wife to London, UK
  • How to shift parents to Canada
  • How to shift in-laws to Zimbabwe
 
One more option is to begin convincing China to block or divert the waters flowing into India. That will be a long term project but if handled with skill is doable. India is modeling the Zios now and only respects force and cunning.
Bro, I don’t think China can be expected to divert water to help Pakistan. Their main focus for now is trade and economic growth. They can however be convinced to help Pakistan diplomatically.

As for India, it’s obvious they’re mimicking their Zio masters. The next Marka-e-Haq needs to be a good fire show on RSS headquarters.
 
Bro, I don’t think China can be expected to divert water to help Pakistan. Their main focus for now is trade and economic growth. They can however be convinced to help Pakistan diplomatically.

As for India, it’s obvious they’re mimicking their Zio masters. The next Marka-e-Haq needs to be a good fire show on RSS headquarters.
yeah of course China won't do it for Pakistan but if you can convince the Chinese it's in their own benefit, then they may do it. Essentially i am asking Pakistan to be as clever as the Zios are in convincing or fooling the Americans.
 
yeah of course China won't do it for Pakistan but if you can convince the Chinese it's in their own benefit, then they may do it. Essentially i am asking Pakistan to be as clever as the Zios are in convincing or fooling the Americans.
LoL. Firstly, we ain’t as cunning as the Zios and the Chinese not as dumb as the Yanks. They’ve got an evangelical Christian segment who believe in the armageddon and hence their blind support for the entity. Ofcourse there are some deranged Republicans who want a military outpost in the Middle East and spilling of Muslim blood gives them an orgasm.

Anyways back to the topic, I believe the Chinese are thinking of a dam that would affect flows into India. I could be wrong here. But it sets a wrong precedent.
 
LoL. Firstly, we ain’t as cunning as the Zios and the Chinese not as dumb as the Yanks. They’ve got an evangelical Christian segment who believe in the armageddon and hence their blind support for the entity. Ofcourse there are some deranged Republicans who want a military outpost in the Middle East and spilling of Muslim blood gives them an orgasm.

Anyways back to the topic, I believe the Chinese are thinking of a dam that would affect flows into India. I could be wrong here. But it sets a wrong precedent.
Yes I acknowledge your points. I was hoping we could become as clever and cunning as the Zios. We will need it in order to counter the Indians who are quite cunning as it as and are now modeling themselves on the Zios.

India and China are already in a water and dam tussle in their East. Below is an article about it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/...ndia-china-edge-towards-a-himalayan-water-war

India is also in a water tussle with Bangladesh.

 
India is also in a water tussle with Bangladesh.
Yes they are. But it really shouldn't concern us. One cursory look at their water related threads even on this forum will convince you that 50% of that nation thinks perfectly rationally and the other 50% is completely deluded and should be offered urgent psychiatric help.

If there is a peaceful solution, Pakistan will likely forge a cooperative path together with China on this matter. No other nation is in a position to understand and/or support Pakistan's stance.

But I feel it is most likely that direct kinetic action by Pakistan will be required and will be justifiable soon enough. These subhuman folks actually believe that starving civilians to oblivion is a viable method to settle their miserable geopolitical inferiority complex. They cannot hope to defeat us militarily, hence will resort to simple terrorism.

Of course, the reason for their obsession is that they fundamentally wish for Pakistan to be non-existent. Our nation was always an error in their minds, one that needs to be "rectified". Every Pakistani civilian harmed in this generational venture takes them a step closer to their dream, hence they are fully desensitised to any harm that befalls our civilians, be it by their hand or not. We should be fully resolved as a nation to this most bitter reality.
 
India's foreign ministry rejects so called arbitration court's ruling on Indus Waters Treaty, terms it "null & void". Says treaty remains in abeyance.

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Lets see if things will start moving on the ground. But a disturbing trend nevertheless.

Exactly what Pakistan should have been weary of the water terrorism.
 
Indus water treaty is irreversibly gone. India started work on 8.7 km tunnel, to diver water from Chenab(western river) to Beas (eastern river)

Indus Waters Push: India Fast-Tracks Rs 2,600-Crore 8.7 Km Inter-Basin Water Diversion Tunnel And Desilting Projects

Arun Dhital
May 22, 2026 | Updated 12:58 PM GMT+5:30



India has initiated work on two major infrastructure projects linked to the Chenab river system, together valued at nearly Rs 2,600 crore, as New Delhi presses ahead with utilisation of waters from the western rivers while the Indus Waters Treaty remains suspended, News18 reported.

Both projects will be executed by the National Hydroelectric Power Corporation (NHPC).

The larger of the two is the Rs 2,352 crore Chenab-Beas Link Tunnel Project in Lahaul-Spiti, Himachal Pradesh.

The project envisages an 8.7-km tunnel to carry surplus water from the Chandra river, a tributary of the Chenab, into the Beas basin.

A 19-metre-high barrage is also proposed across the river in the Lahaul valley as part of Phase-I construction.

The diversion site is located near Koskar village, upstream of the north portal of the Atal Tunnel in Rohtang. Phase-II could involve power generation infrastructure linked to the diverted water flows.



The new tunnel will enable water diversion and flush accumulated sediment through a bypass mechanism.

The Salal project carries additional significance because desiltation work there was among the first operational measures taken after India placed the Indus Waters Treaty in abeyance following the Pahalgam terror attack.

Under the 1960 treaty, India holds unrestricted rights over the eastern rivers while Pakistan received primary rights over the western rivers, including the Chenab, though India retained rights to construct run-of-the-river hydroelectric projects on them.

Officials say both projects are aimed at improving long-term infrastructure resilience and maximising India's hydroelectric and water-management potential in the Himalayan region.
 
You think India will listen to this, to them it's BS.
They only listen to one thing, already happening. They can post whatever news about this project will divert etc. It won't stop what's going on with them. See my previous posts.
 
Canal? India will need to build tunnels to divert them.

It will be prohibitively expensive. Easy to bomb. Cant take much water unlike dams. And Pakistan will go all out for minimum violation of treaty. As all 6 rivers belong to Pakistan by international law.
I think tunnel can be bomb as well it requires big pipe to by pass water and also infrastructure. What India is forgetting is that everything is around Kashmir radious and I mean India will require more than 15 to 20 days to be prepared for batfle but for Pakistan maximum 2 to 3 days as Pakistan is a small country and it can send at least 60% force to LOC which and it will Pakistan a purpose to take Kashmir.
 

Hassan Abbas Published May 26, 2026




IFI LOANS are an opiate. Water managers will pursue any mega project if financing is available — especially when repayment comes from taxpayers and not project performance. The failed Neelum-Jhelum project is the latest example. As India violates the Indus Waters Treaty, questionable ‘benchmarks’ surface — Pakistan’s storage is “below recommended levels” and more dams must be built in response. New storage would unlock IFI loans. But would it offset the loss of the treaty? The basic question is: what did Pakistan actually gain from the IWT — and what remains to be lost?

The crisis began in 1948, when India shut off irrigation canals to Pakistan. It ended in 1960, when the IWT was signed. India’s position never wavered: the Ravi, Beas and Sutlej — the eastern rivers — are India’s. Pakistan was told to replace pre-Partition dependence on them with water from the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab — the western rivers — before India cut ‘its’ rivers off entirely. A question not answered by the IWT is: what did Pakistan receive that would be forfeited if the treaty disappeared? The text is unambiguous on India’s gains. Exclusive rights to the eastern rivers. Zero share for Pakistan. No deviation from the line India drew on April 1, 1948.

The western rivers went to Pakistan, with less than seven per cent reserved for India, but with India’s unlimited right to build hydropower projects on them. India kept every drop it could physically divert. Pakistan kept what India could not — because of geography, not generosity. Article IV(4) and (5) permit India to release wastewater through drains into the Ravi and Sutlej as they enter Pakistan and obligate the latter to maintain the drains. There is no cap on volume or quality. The treaty is, in fact, a rivers-division formula, with pollution allowed.

India got more than it asked for in 1948. Could India have taken even more of the Indus Basin without this formula? On the western rivers, no. Geography protects them. The rivers cross into Pakistan out of steep mountains where large-scale diversion or storage is unviable. The treaty permits India to divert or store over 3 MAF from the western rivers, yet in 65 years it hasn’t because it can’t. The eastern rivers are different, crossing a border located on flat alluvial plains where diversion is cheap and easy. In effect, the treaty lets India take all the water that could be taken and ‘gives’ Pakistan only what it can’t. Treaty or no treaty, India diverted the maximum feasible. Further diversions from the western rivers are neither practical nor economic.

Matters will only improve if Pakistan exits the IWT.
The treaty places no limit on the number of India’s hydropower projects on the western rivers. India must share designs and water-release data, and projects must meet technical restrictions. Disputes over Kishenganga, Baglihar and others went into arbitration. The projects proceed anyway, but arbitration caused delays and cost overruns. India now wants dispute mechanisms rewritten to avoid future delays. It is moving ahead on western river projects without treaty compliance. That is the most it can do to avoid arbitration.

What if there were no treaty and no international norms for lower riparian rights? What’s the maximum a powerful upper riparian could do? Divert every drop that is physically divertible. Build unlimited hydropower where diversion isn’t feasible. And send unlimited pollution downstream — which is what has happened. Through the IWT, Pakistan surrendered prior-use rights on the eastern rivers. It can’t demand environmental flows. It can’t limit the number of upstream hydropower projects that disrupt natural flow regimes and ecological timing in Pakistan. And most consequentially, it can’t stop unrestricted Indian pollution discharges into the Ravi and Sutlej.

The water Pakistan receives today will keep coming, treaty or no treaty, violation or no violation. What will also keep coming, if Pakistan continues to honour the treaty unilaterally, is industrial and municipal pollution affecting our drinking water and food chain. The worst outcome for Pakistan’s water security has already occurred and was legitimised by the IWT. There is no further water-security threat left to fear.

The situation can only improve if Pakistan exits the treaty and frames its case on environmental and human rights grounds under the Berlin Rules on International Waters, 2024. Pakistan got no real gain from the IWT. India took all the divertible eastern rivers; geography, not the treaty, protects the western ones. India already discharges unlimited pollution, builds unlimited hydropower, and diverts the maximum feasible. With or without the IWT, western river flows will continue. The worst, legalised by the IWT, has already happened. Seeking IFI loans to pour more concrete will solve nothing.
 

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