JF-17 PFX program

I wish Türkiye Pakistan cooperation success here.
What kind of cooperation are you talking about? We're not collaborating with Pakistan on the engine.

We're receiving support from Pakistani developers on Kaan's sensor fusion and threat assessment and drone management software. The software part is even more challenging than the engine itself.

Everyone's focused on the part of the iceberg above water, the engine issue, while no one's discussing the vast, submerged part, the software. As far as I know, the JF17 doesn't run this kind of software. So China doesn't have to worry about it either!
 
It's unlikely. China has recently been very suspicious of Pakistan's free provision of Chinese technology to Türkiye. So. Pakistan is unlikely to have access to China's latest technology.

This is an utterly absurd, unsubstantiated piece of trash you have written that has no foundation in facts, and can only be described as a delusional fantasy ...
 
January 2025. Türkiye and Pakistan jointly produce JF-17 in Kamla. Türkiye can make KAAN. Why collaborate with Pakistan to produce JF-17? What are they looking for?
WTF are you blabbering on about? Turkey and Pakistan jointly produce the JF17 in Karma?!
 
This is an utterly absurd, unsubstantiated piece of trash you have written that has no foundation in facts, and can only be described as a delusional fantasy ...
WTF are you blabbering on about? Turkey and Pakistan jointly produce the JF17 in Karma?!
Hey guys. chill. I have great confidence in the cooperation between Türkiye and Pakistan. Wishing you success.
 
What kind of cooperation are you talking about? We're not collaborating with Pakistan on the engine.

We're receiving support from Pakistani developers on Kaan's sensor fusion and threat assessment and drone management software. The software part is even more challenging than the engine itself.

Everyone's focused on the part of the iceberg above water, the engine issue, while no one's discussing the vast, submerged part, the software. As far as I know, the JF17 doesn't run this kind of software. So China doesn't have to worry about it either!
China as an unrelated party. We wish Pakistan and Türkiye a successful cooperation in every aspect.
 
Prevent Türkiye from acquiring technology through Pakistan. China has installed anti tamper electronic seals on a new batch of J-10CE engines. Remove the engine without authorization. It will trigger an automatic alarm lock.

The new J-10CE maintenance and diagnostic system is directly linked to Beijing Cloud. Generate two copies of each maintenance report. One for China and one for Pakistan.

Even when replacing hydraulic valves and screws. Beijing will also receive system reports.

Lock the J-10CE.

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Seriously, this is a completely fabricated news story created by a self-media writer to attract attention. These authors have absolutely no understanding of technology, nor do they know anything about the situation.

I know a little about the military technology issues between China, Pakistan, and Turkey, but I can't go into detail.
Simply put: Don't underestimate the intelligence of Chinese military industrial technicians.
 
Seriously, this is a completely fabricated news story created by a self-media writer to attract attention. These authors have absolutely no understanding of technology, nor do they know anything about the situation.

I know a little about the military technology issues between China, Pakistan, and Turkey, but I can't go into detail.
Simply put: Don't underestimate the intelligence of Chinese military industrial technicians.
Not sure. But I think China has doubts.

 
But I think China has doubts.
My understanding is that relevant researchers in China are completely indifferent to this.

The technical principles of these export-oriented weapons are themselves publicly available. Their true core technologies lie in materials science and specialized manufacturing processes. To fully master these technologies, one must possess complete and top-tier industrial technological capabilities. They are products built upon China's current industrial capacity. Without China's industrial capabilities, no one can replicate them.
In other words, even if Chinese engineers teach you hand in hand, you still won't be able to learn it. Or, even if you learn it, you won't be able to manufacture it. Because these Chinese engineers cannot manufacture them outside of the Chinese system either.

A long time ago, CCTV publicly disclosed the processing technology of miniature AESA radar antennas. This technology is widely used in missiles and UAVs, including the PL-15. For those who understand mechanical processing technology, they know how difficult this is.

When India claimed to have obtained wreckage of the PL-15E missile and began reverse-engineering it, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs ignored the claim. ------ Let alone wreckage, even if we gave them a complete PL-15E missile, including detailed technical documentation, they still wouldn't be able to manufacture it.
 
My understanding is that relevant researchers in China are completely indifferent to this.

The technical principles of these export-oriented weapons are themselves publicly available. Their true core technologies lie in materials science and specialized manufacturing processes. To fully master these technologies, one must possess complete and top-tier industrial technological capabilities. They are products built upon China's current industrial capacity. Without China's industrial capabilities, no one can replicate them.
In other words, even if Chinese engineers teach you hand in hand, you still won't be able to learn it. Or, even if you learn it, you won't be able to manufacture it. Because these Chinese engineers cannot manufacture them outside of the Chinese system either.

A long time ago, CCTV publicly disclosed the processing technology of miniature AESA radar antennas. This technology is widely used in missiles and UAVs, including the PL-15. For those who understand mechanical processing technology, they know how difficult this is.

When India claimed to have obtained wreckage of the PL-15E missile and began reverse-engineering it, the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs ignored the claim. ------ Let alone wreckage, even if we gave them a complete PL-15E missile, including detailed technical documentation, they still wouldn't be able to manufacture it.
Your response is reasonable. Industrial and technological accumulation is very important. I saw a discussion. The aviation engine is just a big pipe. Why does it take 50 years to work well? Is there any way to shorten this time?
 
I saw a discussion. The aviation engine is just a big pipe. Why does it take 50 years to work well? Is there any way to shorten this time?
This problem is actually not complicated.

Modern aero-engines are known as the "jewel in the crown of industry." They represent the comprehensive integration of numerous industrial sectors and disciplines. They require a complete and massive top-tier industrial platform for support.

After the Cold War, Western countries pursued industrial globalization. They combined the strengths of various countries, with each country specializing in a small area in which it excelled. Ultimately, this resulted in a vast and advanced industrial system.

But the Chinese military industry does not have this advantage. We must rely on ourselves to manufacture every single part. We need to start from the most basic point, carefully studying and learning every detail. We can obtain some basic technologies by selling cheap labor, and we can also obtain some advanced technologies through technology transfer agreements, but core technologies can only be developed independently.

That's why we spent so many years on this. However, once our industrial foundation is in place, our technological innovation capabilities begin to explode. Therefore, in recent years, we have seen so many new breakthroughs. But very few people see the decades of forbearance and hardship that preceded them.

While other countries are celebrating the successful test flight of their new UAVs, Chinese military enthusiasts have become desensitized to seeing their own country's various advanced UAVs on a daily basis. I hardly even pay attention to these UAVs anymore...
 
This problem is actually not complicated.

Modern aero-engines are known as the "jewel in the crown of industry." They represent the comprehensive integration of numerous industrial sectors and disciplines. They require a complete and massive top-tier industrial platform for support.

After the Cold War, Western countries pursued industrial globalization. They combined the strengths of various countries, with each country specializing in a small area in which it excelled. Ultimately, this resulted in a vast and advanced industrial system.

But the Chinese military industry does not have this advantage. We must rely on ourselves to manufacture every single part. We need to start from the most basic point, carefully studying and learning every detail. We can obtain some basic technologies by selling cheap labor, and we can also obtain some advanced technologies through technology transfer agreements, but core technologies can only be developed independently.

That's why we spent so many years on this. However, once our industrial foundation is in place, our technological innovation capabilities begin to explode. Therefore, in recent years, we have seen so many new breakthroughs. But very few people see the decades of forbearance and hardship that preceded them.

While other countries are celebrating the successful test flight of their new UAVs, Chinese military enthusiasts have become desensitized to seeing their own country's various advanced UAVs on a daily basis. I hardly even pay attention to these UAVs anymore...
I know there are technology consortia in the West, such as the Typhoon fighter jet. The Soviet Union has CMEA.

For example, in the Soviet Union. Ukraine is responsible for building aircraft carriers. Russia is responsible for building nuclear submarines.

So my question is.... What does China need other countries to help it build?
 
January 2025. Türkiye and Pakistan jointly produce JF-17 in Kamla. Türkiye can make KAAN. Why collaborate with Pakistan to produce JF-17? What are they looking for?

Not sure what you are smoking or on what nonsense-sources you rely, but Turkey and Pakistan are in NO WAY producing the JF-17 jointly.
 

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