JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[Qaraca]

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PAC was meant to have enough residual capacity to fulfil foreign orders while maintaining the PAF delivery timelines. Poor management from PAC. I dont disagree with the decision, the sale is important and will help PAF and the JF17C global brand, but given how long they have been discussing this deal with Azerbijan, they should have been ready for this.

 

[Yasser76]

PAC was meant to have enough residual capacity to fulfil foreign orders while maintaining the PAF delivery timelines. Poor management from PAC. I dont disagree with the decision, the sale is important and will help PAF and the JF17C global brand, but given how long they have been discussing this deal with Azerbijan, they should have been ready for this.

I disagree here, we cant have anothe production line ready to go on the off chance of an Azeri order. Same deal with the French and Rafale, their air force has to have constant delays in delivery due to export orders and even the USAF on the F-35 have the problem. Azeri order is small, possibly a year delay to PAF.
I was also under the impression there was still a seperate line in China?

Anyhow, small price to pay for exports and creating strategic partnership with the Azeris.

In the meantime PAF can possibly dilute the other 2 Block III sqds and create the foundations for 3rd Sqd and stand up as soon as enough airframes trickle down

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Is there any truth to the rumor that Iraq has or is going to order the JF17 BLK3

 

[That_Guy]

PAC was meant to have enough residual capacity to fulfil foreign orders while maintaining the PAF delivery timelines. Poor management from PAC. I dont disagree with the decision, the sale is important and will help PAF and the JF17C global brand, but given how long they have been discussing this deal with Azerbijan, they should have been ready for this.

It's probably due to a cash crunch.

It's not a secret that a number of projects have been delayed in the past few years due to lack of money and a severe case of mismanagement at the upper echelons of power.

 

[Ak01]

PAC was meant to have enough residual capacity to fulfil foreign orders while maintaining the PAF delivery timelines. Poor management from PAC. I dont disagree with the decision, the sale is important and will help PAF and the JF17C global brand, but given how long they have been discussing this deal with Azerbijan, they should have been ready for this.

@Quwa

Hmmm this seems strange. The max capacity of the line was 25 units per year i believe, we also saw the orders allegedly reduced to 30 units, but if a third squadron is being stood up, we've passed the 30 mark, perhaps we have placed a larger follow up order and the line is working at capacity? I remember the goal was to have some assets available to be diverted to fulfil export orders, so either we' ve got a large export order or we've got a large local order also? Surely them winding down JF-17 orders did not mean parts of the line be shut down, rather, they were trickle feeding orders to prevent exactly that? no?

 

[Haji Thanos]

The army has reached a point where its either the army of hafiz.

Now let's see if the gens act or not as their generali is in serious trouble

not a chance these generals act other than hafiz orders
and is the JF17 OCU started as some blk1 and 2 have been flying with different colored nosecones in parades as recently PAC also showcased inhouse cone manufacturing capabilty

 

[krash]

I disagree here, we cant have anothe production line ready to go on the off chance of an Azeri order. Same deal with the French and Rafale, their air force has to have constant delays in delivery due to export orders and even the USAF on the F-35 have the problem. Azeri order is small, possibly a year delay to PAF.
I was also under the impression there was still a seperate line in China?

There was never one and could not have been one in China due to the reason you've already pointed out.

 

[Oscar]

@Quwa

Hmmm this seems strange. The max capacity of the line was 25 units per year i believe, we also saw the orders allegedly reduced to 30 units, but if a third squadron is being stood up, we've passed the 30 mark, perhaps we have placed a larger follow up order and the line is working at capacity? I remember the goal was to have some assets available to be diverted to fulfil export orders, so either we' ve got a large export order or we've got a large local order also? Surely them winding down JF-17 orders did not mean parts of the line be shut down, rather, they were trickle feeding orders to prevent exactly that? no?

Max capacity also means all suppliers delivering on time and mix of CoD and terms. Pakistan has closed/impeded Letters of Credit in many cases which even impacts certain agreements for its own military industry. The decent people at PAC are doing their best to keep their commitments even if everyone else is bungling it all up for them.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Quwa]

@Quwa

Hmmm this seems strange. The max capacity of the line was 25 units per year i believe, we also saw the orders allegedly reduced to 30 units, but if a third squadron is being stood up, we've passed the 30 mark, perhaps we have placed a larger follow up order and the line is working at capacity? I remember the goal was to have some assets available to be diverted to fulfil export orders, so either we' ve got a large export order or we've got a large local order also? Surely them winding down JF-17 orders did not mean parts of the line be shut down, rather, they were trickle feeding orders to prevent exactly that? no?

Max capacity also means all suppliers delivering on time and mix of CoD and terms. Pakistan has closed/impeded Letters of Credit in many cases which even impacts certain agreements for its own military industry. The decent people at PAC are doing their best to keep their commitments even if everyone else is bungling it all up for them.

It could also be that they're at the back of the line for steel and other key inputs necessary to produce faster. Key input suppliers around the world are probably busy filling orders from Europe and USA.

One new reason why we need to master these inputs (at least steel and composites) in Pakistan. It won't just come in handy for the JF-17, but any future fighter and/or UCAV program as well. And, if somehow, we exhaust those too, then those airframe material suppliers can still compete for foreign contracts.

Just a byproduct of not having real industrialists (not BS biscuit makers and frozen kabab packers) have a say in this stuff. ZAB chased them all away back in the 1970s, and the regimes in power since then neglected to make amends with that group.

 

[JamD]

It could also be that they're at the back of the line for steel and other key inputs necessary to produce faster. Key input suppliers around the world are probably busy filling orders from Europe and USA.

One new reason why we need to master these inputs (at least steel and composites) in Pakistan. It won't just come in handy for the JF-17, but any future fighter and/or UCAV program as well. And, if somehow, we exhaust those too, then those airframe material suppliers can still compete for foreign contracts.

Just a byproduct of not having real industrialists (not BS biscuit makers and frozen kabab packers) have a say in this stuff.

Aerospace grade aluminum. Maybe titanium if we want to get fancy.

 

[diaspora]

Thunder Burner!!!
Imagine if it was running, what would happen to me

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