JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[studsmart]

Please sell to iran, we will be cheering for the deal all the way

At least Pakistan can sell, unlike India, which can't even consider entertaining this request. Oops did i say it out loud

 

[vayu]

China will do that if Iran ever asked officially.

I was always under the impression that Pakistan has exported it to all the countries so far. correct me if not

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Of course you are wrong. Pakistan never exported JF-17 to Myanmaar.

 

[Michael]

Of course you are wrong. Pakistan never exported JF-17 to Myanmaar.

What's this?

 

[PakShaheen_79]

I was always under the impression that Pakistan has exported it to all the countries so far. correct me if not

What's this?
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Not made at PAC. Provided directly from China. This is what's my point.

 

[Michael]

Not made at PAC. Provided directly from China. This is what's my point.

I'll give you a few pointers.
1, JF-17 is a Sino-Pakistani cooperation program. Neither China nor Pakistan has the right to sell JF-17 alone before the other agrees.
2, CAC only has the R&D system for JF-17, not the production line for JF-17. The R&D system does make it, but the number of products made with the R&D system is very low and very costly. They only make samples for use in test-type products and mass-production types. They cannot be used to manufacture mass production type products.
3, Sources indicate that the Myanmar Air Force's JF-17 had major problems before the mission and it was Pakistani technicians who secretly flew to Myanmar to fix the problem. ------ The people who went to fix the problem were Pakistan, not China.
You can judge your point again.

 

[Pradotlc]

Makes no sense for a big country (geographically) to acquire JF17 they need twin engined fighters

really?..

then USAF shouldn't have F-16s..

 

[Fatman17]

Pakistan Air Force officially confirms the news regarding export of JF-17C Thunder Block-III to Azerbaijan

- 12x Airframes
- 8x Block-III
- 4x Bravo
- Deal Worth: $1.2 ~ $1.6 Billion
- Includes: Airframes, weaponry package, spares, training of the crew [pilots & ground crew]

Note: For the first time Pakistan Air Force has called Block-III as 4.5 Generation Fighter Jet.

Azerbaijan has now become the first export customer of JF-17C Thunder Block-III, overall 3rd export customer, as well as 4th operator of the CAC/PAC JF-17 Thunder.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I'll give you a few pointers.
1, JF-17 is a Sino-Pakistani cooperation program. Neither China nor Pakistan has the right to sell JF-17 alone before the other agrees.
2, CAC only has the R&D system for JF-17, not the production line for JF-17. The R&D system does make it, but the number of products made with the R&D system is very low and very costly. They only make samples for use in test-type products and mass-production types. They cannot be used to manufacture mass production type products.
3, Sources indicate that the Myanmar Air Force's JF-17 had major problems before the mission and it was Pakistani technicians who secretly flew to Myanmar to fix the problem. ------ The people who went to fix the problem were Pakistan, not China.
You can judge your point again.

There were no major problems with the jf17 in Myanmar. Was fake story by Tejas peddlers.

 

[MirageBlue]

I'll give you a few pointers.
1, JF-17 is a Sino-Pakistani cooperation program. Neither China nor Pakistan has the right to sell JF-17 alone before the other agrees.
2, CAC only has the R&D system for JF-17, not the production line for JF-17. The R&D system does make it, but the number of products made with the R&D system is very low and very costly. They only make samples for use in test-type products and mass-production types. They cannot be used to manufacture mass production type products.
3, Sources indicate that the Myanmar Air Force's JF-17 had major problems before the mission and it was Pakistani technicians who secretly flew to Myanmar to fix the problem. ------ The people who went to fix the problem were Pakistan, not China.
You can judge your point again.

Pakistanis refuse to believe that the JF-17 can ever have any problems. They consistently called news outlets like Irrawaddy, a Burmese publication that published reports of major issues with the JF-17s, as Indian.

 

[FuturePAF]

I'll give you a few pointers.
1, JF-17 is a Sino-Pakistani cooperation program. Neither China nor Pakistan has the right to sell JF-17 alone before the other agrees.
2, CAC only has the R&D system for JF-17, not the production line for JF-17. The R&D system does make it, but the number of products made with the R&D system is very low and very costly. They only make samples for use in test-type products and mass-production types. They cannot be used to manufacture mass production type products.
3, Sources indicate that the Myanmar Air Force's JF-17 had major problems before the mission and it was Pakistani technicians who secretly flew to Myanmar to fix the problem. ------ The people who went to fix the problem were Pakistan, not China.
You can judge your point again.

The JF-17 is a work share project. Besides, if Bangladesh buys the latest version, it will have a superior version of the JF-17 in its inventory and could probably procure longer range BVR missiles, from China, Pakistan (Faaz), or Turkey to “out stick” the Burmese.

Once they become operators of the JF-17, they could probably become partners in the PFX program.

For Bangladesh, it’s about independence and autonomy from its larger neighbors to its east and west.

Myanmar operating JF-17 Block 2 against rebels should be a concern for Bangladesh, as long as the BAF can out gun them.

Btw, could Pakistan and China upgrade Bangladesh’s MiG-29s with components from the JF-17 as part of a package deal with sale of the JF-17 Block 3)? Upgrading 8 MiG-29s and replacing the 36 J-7s with at least 24 JF-17 will create two full strength squadrons.

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[Michael]

There were no major problems with the jf17 in Myanmar. Was fake story by Tejas peddlers.

Pakistanis refuse to believe that the JF-17 can ever have any problems. They consistently called news outlets like Irrawaddy, a Burmese publication that published reports of major issues with the JF-17s, as Indian.

My statement is just to prove that JF-17 export to Myanmar is not a unilateral action by China.JF-17 export to any place needs to be agreed by both China and Pakistan. As for the information in point 3, I can't confirm the authenticity of each information, I have used “Sources indicate” to show that it is just an inconclusive evidence, the previous two points are enough to show the point I want to make. Please do not read too much into it!

Btw, could Pakistan and China upgrade Bangladesh’s MiG-29s with components from the JF-17 as part of a package deal with sale of the JF-17 Block 3)? Upgrading 8 MiG-29s and replacing the 36 J-7s with at least 24 JF-17 will create two full strength squadrons.

Technically there is no problem. But there is no point in doing so.
The Bangladesh Air Force's MiG-29 has reached the stage of retirement and there is no point or value in upgrading it. It is too expensive to upgrade these MiG-29s, which is more expensive than buying JF-17 or J10CE.
The entire aircraft had to be treated for extended life, which amounted to a structural rebuild of the entire aircraft. The engines must also be replaced. The aircraft's avionics were all replaced with the same avionics as the JF-17. How is this different from building a new airplane all over again? What's more, the Bangladesh Air Force has only a few MiG-29s.
It would be more expensive.

 

[FuturePAF]

My statement is just to prove that JF-17 export to Myanmar is not a unilateral action by China.JF-17 export to any place needs to be agreed by both China and Pakistan. As for the information in point 3, I can't confirm the authenticity of each information, I have used “Sources indicate” to show that it is just an inconclusive evidence, the previous two points are enough to show the point I want to make. Please do not read too much into it!


Technically there is no problem. But there is no point in doing so.
The Bangladesh Air Force's MiG-29 has reached the stage of retirement and there is no point or value in upgrading it. It is too expensive to upgrade these MiG-29s, which is more expensive than buying JF-17 or J10CE.
The entire aircraft had to be treated for extended life, which amounted to a structural rebuild of the entire aircraft. The engines must also be replaced. The aircraft's avionics were all replaced with the same avionics as the JF-17. How is this different from building a new airplane all over again? What's more, the Bangladesh Air Force only has 8 MiG-29s.
It would be more expensive.

Then in that case, for the sake of combat capability and international politics, IMHO, the BAF should consider 24 JF-17 Block 3 and 8 Eurofighters. They can double or triple this fleet if finances permit down the line, but would make a strong two full strength squadron Air Force.

 

[Michael]

Then in that case, for the sake of combat capability and international politics, IMHO, the BAF should consider 24 JF-17 Block 3 and 8 Eurofighters. They can double or triple this fleet if finances permit down the line, but would make a strong two full strength squadron Air Force.

It's their country's business. The Government of Bangladesh and the Air Force will make their choices and decisions according to their own circumstances.
Trade in fighter jets is linked to international diplomatic relations and it is not entirely determined by the performance and price of the fighter jets themselves.

 

[FuturePAF]

It's their country's business. The Government of Bangladesh and the Air Force will make their choices and decisions according to their own circumstances.
Trade in fighter jets is linked to international diplomatic relations and it is not entirely determined by the performance and price of the fighter jets themselves.

Agreed. Their decision, their relations. We can’t really guess where they are planning to go.