JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[side-winder]

Btw why no senior Air Staff officer with CAS? Usually two stars and three stars accompany CAS on such foreign tours.

@AeronautIR

 

[Ali_Baba]

could always be used in the LIFT role i guess...but as days go on, it sounds Reuters has employed rajabaja and mastankhan... if we cant pay the loans, how are we going to pay to build the jets...?

Yes - the economics of the cash flows make no sense relative to the article/post. Lets see what "comes" of this JF17 "mania".

 

[AeronautIR]

Btw why no senior Air Staff officer with CAS? Usually two stars and three stars accompany CAS on such foreign tours.

@AeronautIR

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Not very often. I only saw PSO in photos of USA and Romania visits too.

 

[KingQamaR]

I don’t mind . JF17 Fighter jets in exchange for oil.

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[VCheng]

Both 1 & 2 especially w.r.t Nigeria. Burma is missing context.
Best left to channels beyond this but involve a combo of poor "train the trainers" and certain manufacturing "oversight" being that it was the first export order and an odd coordination on delivery (and movement prior to delivery occurred).

A fair comment that I can agree with.

Such complex programs are never without their own unique issues, especially in the early stages. After all, just look at the F-35 program and the multitude of posts on PDF about all of its issues, but that platform matured nicely. Eventually.

With time and effort, so will the JF-17 program I am sure., without pretending everything is hunky dory from the get-go.

 

[RocketLaw]

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Beautiful Jet! Glad to see many countries are interested on JF-17s

 

[bravo_1]

could always be used in the LIFT role i guess...but as days go on, it sounds Reuters has employed rajabaja and mastankhan... if we cant pay the loans, how are we going to pay to build the jets...?

Good question,
ask for another loan ()

 

[Ak01]

The JF-17 has no space in RSAF as a trainer, they locally produce HAWK AJT... im going to write this off id think. I dont think a re export to sudan is on the cards either.

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

The JF-17 has no space in RSAF as a trainer, they locally produce HAWK AJT... im going to write this off id think. I dont think a re export to sudan is on the cards either.

Maybe Syria ?

 

[Vortex]

Are you saying that it is wrong because of its affiliation, or are you saying it is debunked because the substance of what it is reporting has been shown to be incorrect?

according to some people yes.
And I would have rejected such sources because of no name of writer, etc..
.
the Irrawaddy’d article is presenting JF17 as unreliable etc.

In the article it is said that Burma bought westernized JF17 version but western countries put embargo on Burma after political political crisis.

So if it is true that Burma bought a westernised JF17, then probability of JF17 being grounded is very high. But it’s not due to issues with JF17 itself. Burma’s airforce should have bought full Chinese version.

What happened to the Nigerian’s JF17 ? Same issue of western parts ? Embargo ?


For me yes JF17 ate grounded and not grounded in same time ! Both of sides are right.

I’m not expert on JF17 I/II/III. So I will let this matter to the experts .

 

[VCheng]

For me yes JF17 ate grounded and not grounded in same time ! Both of sides are right.

I think @Oscar said it best:

Best left to channels beyond this but involve a combo of poor "train the trainers" and certain manufacturing "oversight" being that it was the first export order and an odd coordination on delivery (and movement prior to delivery occurred).

The JF-17 is good, but not perfect, just like most platforms, especially early in their lifespans. Learning from defects makes for an improved product for those willing to learn. Those who think it is already perfect fail miserably, and pretending not to see any problems is an easy way to do that.

That is all I will say here.

 

[Vortex]

I think @Oscar said it best:



The JF-17 is good, but not perfect, just like most platforms, especially early in their lifespans. Learning from defects makes for an improved product for those willing to learn. Those who think it is already perfect fail miserably, and pretending not to see any problems is an easy way to do that.

That is all I will say here.

I think nobody said it is perfect, but it is perfect for us as a start. It did well so far.

Ride safe.

 

[VCheng]

I think nobody said it is perfect, but it is perfect for us as a start. It did well so far.

Ride safe.

I can agree with that post, certainly.

 

[Oscar]

A fair comment that I can agree with.

Such complex programs are never without their own unique issues, especially in the early stages. After all, just look at the F-35 program and the multitude of posts on PDF about all of its issues, but that platform matured nicely. Eventually.

With time and effort, so will the JF-17 program I am sure., without pretending everything is hunky dory from the get-go.

Everything was/is hardly hunky dory - after all the human resources limitations will always be there. But the “good enough” rapport has been established even vis a vis used F-16s because they bring their own baggage.

However, barring the J-10s because they are “new and few” - F-16s still hold the highest availability rate of any aircraft in PAF.

 

[ArmTwister]

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-...7-jets-for-loans-deal-sources-say-2026-01-07/

Pak-KSA expected JF-17 deal