JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[MirageV3ff]

this just also might be Saudis paying for paf squadron for themselves , like they pay for the jets and we send pilots and other support staff to be stationed in KSA .

That's also plausible

 

[iron shrapnel]

The real question is wether PAC and Russia can keep up with supplies.

 

[Yasser76]

The real question is wether PAC and Russia can keep up with supplies.

Russian engine was good for us initially, as it was proven and supplied in bulk. Now it seems like a liability....

 

[MirageV3ff]

Yes - the economics of the cash flows make no sense relative to the article/post. Lets see what "comes" of this JF17 "mania".

The post probably did a poor job at explaining.

But I think this is debt swap. Basically, the JF-17 deal works as a debt-for-jets swap, done properly IFRS. Pakistan doesn’t repay the $2 billion Saudi loan in cash; instead, that loan is taken off the books and replaced with an obligation to deliver JF-17 aircraft and related support. As the jets are delivered, the value is recorded as defence exports. So there’s no big foreign-currency outflow. We'll pay for the production of the jets in ruppees so expect some inflation as we print more ruppees

 

[hasssanali8998]

inflation

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did someone say inflation !!!

 

[MirageV3ff]

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did someone say inflation !!!

2 dollar. Or what we say in Pakistan, 10,000,000,000 ruppees

 

[safriz]

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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/pakistan-saudi-talks-jf-17-jets-for-loans-deal-sources-say-2026-01-07/

Ok, but China is also a partner in the JF-17. will they agree on such a deal? here no actual money is coming in , instead existing loan on Pakistan not China is being paid off as JF-17

 

[iron shrapnel]

Ok, but China is also a partner in the JF-17. will they agree on such a deal? here no actual money is coming in , instead existing loan on Pakistan not China is being paid off as JF-17

China is already selling to everyone... Pakistan would settle the loan and the Chinese would get their share...

 

[hasssanali8998]

here no actual money is coming i

2 billion are ,i suspect that's where china will get their share from

 

[lightning f57]

I wonder if the potential order for Saudi will include a Chinese engine option? I can't see the Saudis operating anything of Russian origin. The Bangladeshis will probably stick to the RD93 given their experience with the Mig29, as did the Azeris I assume.

Which engine is it, the WS-13?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Ok, but China is also a partner in the JF-17. will they agree on such a deal? here no actual money is coming in , instead existing loan on Pakistan not China is being paid off as JF-17

Orders will go to China for components and systems that Pakistan does not manufacture and China will get a share of the profits. China will get more money from this deal than Pakistan will as the bulk of the expensive stuff still comes from China. That is baked into the contract for the JF17 project. Neither side can cut out the other side of shared profits.

 

[bravo_1]

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[Corax]

Which engine is it, the WS-13?

Don't know, I'm purely speculating, but there's been reports on and off of some Chinese developed alternative powerplant for the JF17. I wonder if the PAF will go for one of these if it goes ahead with a potential Block 4 order or PFX JF17. It seems they have enough confidence in Chinese powerplants with the J10Cs.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Don't know, I'm purely speculating, but there's been reports on and off of some Chinese developed alternative powerplant for the JF17. I wonder if the PAF will go for one of these if it goes ahead with a potential Block 4 order or PFX JF17. It seems they have enough confidence in Chinese powerplants with the J10Cs.

There is the WS-13 and it's iteratives of A, E/IPE, X which was developed for the JF17 but no one has purchased those engines and I can't see any customer wanting to take a risk like that with those series of untested/not operationally deployed engine.

Guizhou WS-13 - Wikipedia

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Pakistan is comfortable with the J10CE engine because that engine is soo common in the PLAAF and it has been pretty much debugged by now, that does not apply to the WS-13.

Pakistan did purchase a single WS-21 engine, though for what reason is not known yet.

I do think Pakistan will stick with the RD-93 engine unless something drastic happens. Do note, there is not much actual demand for new build RD-93s as most of Russia's procurement is geared towards Sukhoi origin jets. So, PAF and the JF17 fleet is basically keeping the RD-93 manufacturing line open right now, so they can meet any uptick in demand fairly easily.

Klimov RD-33 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hasssanali8998]

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia have a robust multifaceted cooperation, including in defense. I’m not aware of any particular deal regarding any platform or any systems and its financial adjustments”, says Foreign Office spox TahirAndrabi in his weekly briefing on Pak selling JF17s to Saudi