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You may be right, but I saw a interview, discussing this and it was regards to what's being discussed above, with Pakistan needing to take more ownership of the project and CATIC etc needing to concentrate on other things and Pakistan gradually pushing up it's production rate of the JF17s
I remember I explained this problem before.

For example:
Some core load-bearing components in fighter jet structures require heavy-duty forging presses for manufacturing. Such machines are quite expensive. If PAC were to purchase such a machine but only produce a few dozen parts a year, it would be a serious waste of machine efficiency. This also involves special alloy materials, etc. Currently, PAC's JF-17 production volume is too low to support a complete industrial chain.

In short: PAC knows how to build it (they have the technology), but they simply can't afford to (lack of funds/not cost-effective).
 
Hypothetically speaking, keeping the space constraints in mind, besides PWR and TWR ratio what are the benefits a rd93MA integration onto Blk 3 in terms of radar and EW?
surely we wont expect a newer radar but can the current radar be improved without increase in TRM?
Is any knowledgable member aware of options currently available better "internal" EW or ELINT options available for Blk3 that can increase survivability in contested enviornment?
 
Hypothetically speaking, keeping the space constraints in mind, besides PWR and TWR ratio what are the benefits a rd93MA integration onto Blk 3 in terms of radar and EW?
surely we wont expect a newer radar but can the current radar be improved without increase in TRM?
Is any knowledgable member aware of options currently available better "internal" EW or ELINT options available for Blk3 that can increase survivability in contested enviornment?

That is if the MA even exists.
 
I remember I explained this problem before.

For example:
Some core load-bearing components in fighter jet structures require heavy-duty forging presses for manufacturing. Such machines are quite expensive. If PAC were to purchase such a machine but only produce a few dozen parts a year, it would be a serious waste of machine efficiency. This also involves special alloy materials, etc. Currently, PAC's JF-17 production volume is too low to support a complete industrial chain.

In short: PAC knows how to build it (they have the technology), but they simply can't afford to (lack of funds/not cost-effective).
So whos manufacturing these core load-bearing components for future orders if the only team existent in China is at CATIC and at project office level and coordinating only with suppliers of components (presumably things like electronic, electrical and hydraulic components)?
 
So whos manufacturing these core load-bearing components for future orders if the only team existent in China is at CATIC and at project office level and coordinating only with suppliers of components (presumably things like electronic, electrical and hydraulic components)?
At the business level, Factory 132 is also one of CATIC's suppliers.

PAF placed an order with PAC for the purchase of JF-17B3 aircraft.
PAC breaks down the order, manufactures some of the components itself, and places purchase orders for the remaining parts with CATIC.
CATIC broke down PAC's purchase order and placed separate purchase orders with different suppliers. For example, Factory 132 produces load-bearing structural parts, CETC produces radars, and the Air-to-Air Missile Institute produces PL-15E missiles, etc.
Factory 132 then placed purchase orders with raw material suppliers. The raw materials are then forged into JF-17 load-bearing structural components.​
CETC procures parts from different component suppliers and then assembles them into radars.​
The Air-to-Air Missile Institute procures parts from different component suppliers and then assembles them into PL-15E missiles.​
Some items are delivered to PAC centrally by CATIC. Other items can be delivered directly to PAC by the suppliers, but CATIC remains responsible for the business aspects of the transaction.

This is a vast industrial system. However, in China, only CATIC has a direct business relationship with PAC.
Other suppliers may know that the end customer is PAC, or they may only know CATIC; some suppliers may not even know that the products they manufacture are ultimately used in the JF-17 fighter jet. They manufacture a wide variety of products in their daily operations and do not work exclusively on projects related to the JF-17 aircraft.
 
I don't know if IDRW.jpg articles are considered as "Articles" at all. What is interesting are the comments by Members, that seem to vanish after 24hrs.

I took the liberty of taking a screenshot of the 9 Comments.

Clearly the individual who wrote this piece is frustrated that the JF-17 is getting so much attention by a number of Nations in less than a month and I suppose all that can be attributed to is the f-up of their: Operation Tandoor

I take it the Author is upset why no Nation (even a 3rd Class one like Armania and/or Philippines) is not interested in their TEJAs


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Note: The Contents of the article aren't important as the Title itself is a dead give away. What's important are the views of some Indians that now coming to...

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I don't know if View attachment 172408 articles are considered as "Articles" at all. What is interesting are the comments by Members, that seem to vanish after 24hrs.

I took the liberty of taking a screenshot of the 9 Comments.

Clearly the individual who wrote this piece is frustrated that the JF-17 is getting so much attention by a number of Nations in less than a month and I suppose all that can be attributed to is the f-up of their: Operation Tandoor

I take it the Author is upset why no Nation (even a 3rd Class one like Armania and/or Philippines) is not interested in their TEJAs


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Note: The Contents of the article aren't important as the Title itself is a dead give away. What's important are the views of some Indians that now coming to...

@RescueRanger @Oscar @AeronautIR @Areesh @Bilal @Dalit @Distant_Observer @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Maarkhoor @Master Chief @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @pwfi @r3alist @Reichmarshal @SiliconBit (silicon0000) @SteppeWolff @Starlord @TAC @TOPGUN @TopGun786 @Truth Seeker @UndercoverJIX @Vapnope @Vortex @Yasser76 @hasssanali8998
I mean the comments are positive. No one mocked it. Thats a good start 👌
 
CCTV also relayed Reuters' report that several countries are in talks to purchase JF-17s. It seems there are indeed several countries discussing JF-17 purchases with Pakistan, but I personally believe it's not yet at the stage of signing contracts.114.png
 
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See other people are talking the same thing how will it stack up against f15. People think f15 is heavy fighter so jf17 being light fighter will just flee. In war israel and neighbouring countries have f15 which makes ksa f15 data vulnerable for ksa as israel has idea about it. Jf17 will be something different. Not for air superiority but for standoff weapons, force multiplier, ground attack, ashm role.

Ksa is going against qatar which has relations with israel.
What world do you live in? Try growing up first before commenting on grown up matters.
 
What world do you live in? Try growing up first before commenting on grown up matters.
Hey,
Show some respect. Its good to be respectable. Jf17 for ksa is considered. Hence, im sharing my view. Discussion has no age criteria to discuss. You must be 60 years old to call me to grow up.

Ksa has multiple time revoked ties with qatar and israel relations are skeptic. We muslims by never trust israel and so does ksa population. War can happen anytime and strategically f15 might have sanctions by us if these countries confront each other. Jf17, j10 and j31 for ksa should be future.
 
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I don't know if View attachment 172408 articles are considered as "Articles" at all. What is interesting are the comments by Members, that seem to vanish after 24hrs.

I took the liberty of taking a screenshot of the 9 Comments.

Clearly the individual who wrote this piece is frustrated that the JF-17 is getting so much attention by a number of Nations in less than a month and I suppose all that can be attributed to is the f-up of their: Operation Tandoor

I take it the Author is upset why no Nation (even a 3rd Class one like Armania and/or Philippines) is not interested in their TEJAs


View attachment 172410

Note: The Contents of the article aren't important as the Title itself is a dead give away. What's important are the views of some Indians that now coming to...

@RescueRanger @Oscar @AeronautIR @Areesh @Bilal @Dalit @Distant_Observer @Hakikat ve Hikmet @Maarkhoor @Master Chief @Mighty_Dragon_Strike @pwfi @r3alist @Reichmarshal @SiliconBit (silicon0000) @SteppeWolff @Starlord @TAC @TOPGUN @TopGun786 @Truth Seeker @UndercoverJIX @Vapnope @Vortex @Yasser76 @hasssanali8998
What they can't admit is that JF-17 can kill any of their current fighters sans Rafales, single handedly with its own Radar + PL15 combo.

It can kill Rafales too with external ground and aerial radar support.


Imagine the embarrassment when compared to PoS Tejas or whatever they can produce on their own, heck even assemble.

No need to worry about them imbeciles, they will never learn and will always embarrass themselves.
 

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