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Juts makes you realise how stupidly shirt sighted US and Europe were in denying tech to PAF.

You now have cheap versions of AIM-9X/IRIS-T, AMRAAM/Meteor and JSOW/SCALP on a very cheap fighter giving you almost the same capabilities.
IMO the best way to keep ur adversary weak and pacified is to give them all they need(while keeping a slight edge for urself)...
...it would generally keep most(except the ones that look at the bigger picture) dependent on u...never charting their own path.

If u cut them off...that rude awakening forces them to be independent and self reliant. Once that happens...a true challenger emerges...
...there are many examples other than China as well. The biggest and most obvious is China. Everything they were cut off from...they eventually created it for themselves(and are continuing to do so).

Another counter example that I would like to point out(that ppl may not like) is that of Egypt. It was kept on drip feed of massive aid by the West...keeping it pacified. One could even argue that Pakistan as a state was kept on that drip feed too(with fully complicit leaders).
 
Obviously the PL-15 has attracted interests from several countries . As PL-15 is no longer a secret weapon. Would China allow Pakistanis to market Jf-17 and PL-15 to come with it?
 
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Is the above true, or just twitter stupidity 🤔
 
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A Pakistan Air Force (PAF) contingent is participating in the World Defence Show - 2026 in Saudi Arabia, featuring its cutting-edge JF-17 Thunder Block-III Multi-role fighter jet and the highly acclaimed Super Mushshak basic trainer aircraft.
 
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So there’s a particular indian on this platform who denied that PL15 has been integrated with JF-17. Why are they showing it at an airshow to potential customers then?
 
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A Pakistan Air Force (PAF) contingent is participating in the World Defence Show - 2026 in Saudi Arabia, featuring its cutting-edge JF-17 Thunder Block-III Multi-role fighter jet and the highly acclaimed Super Mushshak basic trainer aircraft.
Anyone knows what are these things dangling from the necks of pilots on left and right?
 
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Is the above true, or just twitter stupidity 🤔

Good opportunity for Pakistan to develop a NASAMs type solution using the SD-10 then.
 
Considering Pakistan had to fight tooth and nail for basic documentation created by CAC to get the ability to integrate third party systems such as radios, EW and health monitoring systems - it does now have access to the majority of the aircraft’s mission computer and bus architecture source.

However, your assertion that the source code is needed for optimal weapons performance is wrong.

Modern integration frameworks are designed specifically to avoid needing access to a weapon’s or aircraft’s proprietary software.

A weapon’s internal algorithms (like guidance or fuzing logic) operate autonomously once the correct data is provided via these interfaces. As long as the aircraft feeds accurate target coordinates, attitude, and timing signals, the missile performs as designed.

The Indian Su-30MKI fires Israeli and French weapons, and Eurofighter Typhoon loads Israeli decoys and none of these required full software source code but relied on ICDs and modular integration software.

Easy to use and useable are not reliant on source code - they are related to seamless mission computer integration, pilot interface, accurate threat symbology, and smooth datalink updates and not necessarily algorithm-level integration.

The limiting factor is often documentation and interface access, not inaccessible source code. If the weapon manufacturer supplies a full Interface Control Document, you can integrate effectively even with a closed “black box.” Claiming it was "embarrassing" because Level 4 access wasn’t granted ignores that nearly all mixed-origin fighter integrations (including Western ones) operate effectively at Level 3 or 3.5. If Azerbaijan has not been able to integrate weapons yet it can be due to limited cooperation from OEM, inconsistent software documentation, or rushed integration timelines.
Regarding this question, I haven't explained it clearly.

The degree of coordination between the fighter jet and the weapon payload depends on the weapon payload's own requirements and operating mode.

The simplest aerial bomb only needs the first stage to achieve good results. The most complex fourth stage is only required for certain special weapons in specific operating modes. Generally, weapon payloads only need the standard fire control interface of the weapon platform to function properly.

Let me give you an example.

The PL-15 air-to-air missile has a special operating mode: "fire-first, guidance-later."

Our high-altitude reconnaissance UAV or satellite detects suspicious target activity in the target area but cannot provide fire control level data. Our AEW&C and fighter jet radars do not detect the target.

At this time, the fighter jet can launch the PL-15 air-to-air missile towards the approximate target airspace without any target information (note that the PL-15 air-to-air missile does not contain target information at this time). While the PL-15 is flying in the current airspace, the fighter jet and AEW&C continue to approach the target airspace, and the high-altitude reconnaissance UAV and satellite continue to scan that airspace. Once the fighter jet or AEW&C detects a target, it transmits the target information data to the PL-15 air-to-air missile in flight…

This is a typical system-of-systems air combat mode. It requires real-time data exchange between the air-to-air missile and various nodes within the system platform. This necessitates Level 4 capability.

If the PL-15 air-to-air missile and the fighter jet or system platform cannot achieve Level 4 capability, it can still be used normally, but this operational mode will not be possible.
 
Juts makes you realise how stupidly shirt sighted US and Europe were in denying tech to PAF.

You now have cheap versions of AIM-9X/IRIS-T, AMRAAM/Meteor and JSOW/SCALP on a very cheap fighter giving you almost the same capabilities.
PL-15 is not a cheap version of Meteor.....

It is an equally expensive, superior version of Meteor. It outranges it by 50km at least, which means Meteors larger NEZ is no longer relevant against PL15 launching aircrafts.

India to date has zero, ZERO knowledge of BVR engagements because it never got the chance to shoot......first PAF took them out with AIM120 and now with PL15....not a single missile was fired by the overhyped 72 aircraft strike formation of IAF.......why the F*** wont your MKIs that are escorting the M2K and Rafales, just not do anything while the aircraft they were supposed to protect were smoked out of the sky?
 
Good opportunity for Pakistan to develop a NASAMs type solution using the SD-10 then.

They would be useful to take of drones that bypass the softkill's as a fallback. There is still value in them, most of the IAF other than the Rafale, can be "taken care" of by the SD-10 as of now so still relevant.
 
Obviously the PL-15 has attracted interests from several countries . As PL-15 is no longer a secret weapon. Would China allow Pakistanis to market Jf-17 and PL-15 to come with it?
If customers are interested then why not? Money is money...even if it comes through an indirect method. China still partially owns JF17...so they will get money from that sale partially...and fully from sales of PL15.
 
They would be useful to take of drones that bypass the softkill's as a fallback. There is still value in them, most of the IAF other than the Rafale, can be "taken care" of by the SD-10 as of now so still relevant.

So is the information that China is trying to get rid of them true?

If so, maybe we can get a deal or obtain TOT for a A.D solution
 
So is the information that China is trying to get rid of them true?

If so, maybe we can get a deal or obtain TOT for a A.D solution

I dont know about China trying to get rid of their SD10 ecosystem, I personally doubt it. There is still value in the SD10 stock, even for a Taiwan type scenario. Not everything needs a PL15 to take it down and the existing stock is a sunk cost anyway.
 

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