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PAC can’t produce that many units they’ll have to divide the production with china. If they want a fast delivery

 

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Who knows they might need some delivery guys for their new upcoming goodies.

 

[Oscar]

PAC can’t produce that many units they’ll have to divide the production with china. If they want a fast delivery

What is PAC’s current capacity?
Do you have an official quote or have you worked with them in any capacity?

 

[ThirdFaculty]

What is PAC’s current capacity?
Do you have an official quote or have you worked with them in any capacity?

Officially 20-25 units I’m not sure what it would be for block 3
The size of Iran’s order is between 50+ units they want the aircraft pronto PAC can’t facilitate that demand without the actual assembly line increasing and that would take years

 

[Ali_Baba]

Officially 20-25 units I’m not sure what it would be for block 3
The size of Iran’s order is between 50+ units they want the aircraft pronto PAC can’t facilitate that demand without the actual assembly line increasing and that would take years

How did this thread go from a visit of the Iranian air chief to ‘an order of 50+ units?’ ……

 

[Oscar]

Officially 20-25 units I’m not sure what it would be for block 3
The size of Iran’s order is between 50+ units they want the aircraft pronto PAC can’t facilitate that demand without the actual assembly line increasing and that would take years

Let’s assume you’re right on the production capacity

What source do you have for Iran’s order - in terms of delivery timeframe and size - and what is pronto? Give me a comparison to what is that term imply in delivery time?

The Russians? What have they delivered to Iran “Pronto”at what cost/capability

China? What would be “Pronto” for them

Anyone else?
India? What is pronto for India to deliver Tejas?

 

[Hussain]

But u guys r missing the main issue…which is the use of ASAT and its repercussions. The difficult part is that creating all that debris in space puts the other satellites at risk…

So a smaller missile, with a smaller EMP warhead would be better suited for the job?

 

[ThirdFaculty]

Let’s assume you’re right on the production capacity

What source do you have for Iran’s order - in terms of delivery timeframe and size - and what is pronto? Give me a comparison to what is that term imply in delivery time?

The Russians? What have they delivered to Iran “Pronto”at what cost/capability

China? What would be “Pronto” for them

Anyone else?
India? What is pronto for India to deliver Tejas?

Pronto would be the delivery of a number of block 1s that PAF requested for in 2011 after what happened in abbottobad. There was already an operational squadron there so they could absorb it fast however Iran has no infrastructure no training no ground crew trained it takes years to get the set up right. You’re talking about an airforce who at best have 70s era Tom cats that barely fly. The best comparison is 90s era PAF being given the J10C everyone from top to the bottom wouldn’t have a clue. No idea what off bore sight missiles are some idea of basic bvr.
Maintenance crew who at best may have had some training on F16A/b have no idea about the engine system etc
It’s too big a pill to swallow. Sure they’ll get it but minimum 3 years till everyone sings from the same hym sheet
It’s like teaching university level math to a kid who’s just in the middle of high school the jump / gap is too big

 

[hussain0216]

Officially 20-25 units I’m not sure what it would be for block 3
The size of Iran’s order is between 50+ units they want the aircraft pronto PAC can’t facilitate that demand without the actual assembly line increasing and that would take years

Their is no line in china, not anyone and not one that can be opened

 

[Cookie Monster]

So a smaller missile, with a smaller EMP warhead would be better suited for the job?

EMP would do the job just fine…
…as in an electromagnetic pulse(EMP) can knock out any electronic device which isn’t well shielded.
This type of weapon wouldn’t need to “hit”(whether kinetically or with an explosive warhead) the satellite at all.

However a smaller missile? Idk if that’s possible. I would assume it would have to be at least the size of a cruise missile(probably on the larger side). Last I ever remember reading on one of these things…was a US weapon called CHAMP.

 

[lightning f57]

How did this thread go from a visit of the Iranian air chief to ‘an order of 50+ units?’ ……

I dont think the Iranians want JF17 maybe J10 because of its load and range. However lets entertain this idea if they did possibly for point defence and quick procurement would PAF give from their inventory, hypothetically speaking.

 

[Awwad]

I dont think the Iranians want JF17 maybe J10 because of its load and range. However lets entertain this idea if they did possibly for point defence and quick procurement would PAF give from their inventory, hypothetically speaking.

Officially 20-25 units I’m not sure what it would be for block 3
The size of Iran’s order is between 50+ units they want the aircraft pronto PAC can’t facilitate that demand without the actual assembly line increasing and that would take years

Oh come on! Pakistan cannot sell JF-17s to Iran even if it wanted to.

We were unable to do our part of deal for Iran - Pakistan gas pipeline. Iran is Pakistan's neighbor and Pakistan cannot get Oil & gas from it because of United States displeasure. How on earth you think Pakistan will be allowed to sell war planes at the time when Israel & Iran tensions are at their peak ?

Recognizing Israel maybe far more closer then establishing defense ties with Iran. As Pakistan's establishment was eager to establish relations with Israel before the ongoing war.

Most importantly millions of Pakistanis work in GCC countries and send money back home. Plus KSA / UAE give Pakistan bailout money from time to time as well. There's never a chance that Pakistan can make an independent decision without taking all these countries in confidence.

Finally, Iran has never officially stated that they are interested in Jeffs. Iran is buying SU-35s, Iran's future air force requirements will be fullfilled by Russia. Even though it will be slow but that's the only logical partnership. Both countries are under Western sanctions so it does not really matter for them to exchange military equipment. Iran focuses on its missile technology and drones more than anything else. Because its adversaries are one of the world's most advance military powers. The US can wipe out most of Iranian air bases if they really wants to. So whatever assets Iran might have had (hypothetically Jeffs, J-10Cs, SU-35s...) all would be wasted. On other hand, destroying drones / missile bases is very hard as these are based on mobile launchers and can be concealed far more easier under caves or tunnels etc. Airbases can never be concealed as they require huge runways. Nature of Iran's war is very different. They are not going to spend billions on aircrafts anyways. Its just they want handful of advance fighters at this point in time. So, Pak isn't allowed to sell em and secondly they are not interested as well.

 

[Cookie Monster]

I dont think the Iranians want JF17 maybe J10 because of its load and range. However lets entertain this idea if they did possibly for point defence and quick procurement would PAF give from their inventory, hypothetically speaking.

If we put geopolitics aside…and the fact that JF17 would be of less use to Iran than for example J10(due to the range they would need to strike their enemies)…
…PAF could offer to sell them block 2 from current inventory(and use the cash to build more block 3s to replace those).
..of course it can’t be a sudden drastic drop in PAF’s squadron strength…so it would have to be a gradual transfer…like maybe 12 a year?(just a guess)

Of course that is just hypothetical. I doubt Iran would want used airframes…slightly dated fighter(block 2)…and short range(basically for defending its own airspace).
Bcuz PAF wouldn’t be transferring block 3s from its own fleet.

 

[Reichmarshal]

If this iran deal materializes then the ac will be produced vy avic n delivered by china.
They will be called fc 1.
Restarting a assembly line is no prob for avic.
Pakistan can't afford any types of sanctions at this point in time.
China on the other hand is doing trade with iran in billions n is investing 10s of billions in iran.

Now to absorb it all like some one said above " pronto"......it all depends on how desperate iran is.
PAF completed its pilots conversion in 6 months for the f 16.......iran can do it too.

PAF can transfer its upgraded block 1 to iran " pronto".....say a sqd worth.......that in it self would be a good learning curse while avic produces its brand new ac.

Iran needs to send its pilots to Pakistan pronto to get a crash fighter conversion course on jf 17.........if that's wt iran wants n Pakistan can deliver pronto