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Tank131 said:
What would be done with Block 1 air frame after retirement? Honestly, i would refurbish 15 of them and gift them (free) to Sri Lanka. Just to pull them into the ecosystem
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I agree with this, however, again, we would likely need to put a new engine in them and extend the structural life, im not actually sure its worth it for us. Though, i do support something being done with the Block 1's.

Perhaps a naval air wing is something to be considered, perhaps on the other hand, selling them off to nations like BD, Nigeria, Sri Lanka and other African states could be worth it, it all comes down to what the cost of this refurbishment would be. Giving the airframes for free, but charging these countries for the refurb could be a great way to keep MRF's skills sharp and also drag them into our sphere
 
arslank01 said:
I agree with this, however, again, we would likely need to put a new engine in them and extend the structural life, im not actually sure its worth it for us. Though, i do support something being done with the Block 1's.

Perhaps a naval air wing is something to be considered, perhaps on the other hand, selling them off to nations like BD, Nigeria, Sri Lanka and other African states could be worth it, it all comes down to what the cost of this refurbishment would be. Giving the airframes for free, but charging these countries for the refurb could be a great way to keep MRF's skills sharp and also drag them into our sphere
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Naval tac air is a must.
 
Michael Jackson said:
Naval tac air is a must.
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Yes but block 1 is not what should be utilized. I think we often mistakenly regard the navy as a less important sphere but if there is one area where India has overwhelming superiority and supremacy its their navy. Nothing short of Block 2 or even block 3 in future should be used. To that end, it makes no sense at this stage to establish a naval fighter wing unless you have sufficient naval pilots capable of flying fast jets. You will need time to train such a wing and the navy needs to adjust its tactics and planning to accommodate this. This takes time. If it needs to be done faster, you could suggest to spin over the Haider's (No. 8 sqd) and their block 3s, making them the naval fighter wing permanently but this then would need to be replaced in the airforces numbers. With the current state of affairs, i dont see any of that happening. Better to push block 1s to another role or upgrades, or flat out sell/donate them.
 
Tank131 said:
What would be done with Block 1 air frame after retirement? Honestly, i would refurbish 15 of them and gift them (free) to Sri Lanka. Just to pull them into the ecosystem
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Pakistan should refurbish and upgrade Block 1 to at least Block II or even Block III if possible. Pakistan is nearly bankrupt we cannot donate any fighter planes to another country.
 
FarhanSiddiqui said:
Pakistan should refurbish and upgrade Block 1 to at least Block II or even Block III if possible. Pakistan is nearly bankrupt we cannot donate any fighter planes to another country.
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and when they start suffering from fatigue issues, then what? when the cost of refurbing the aircraft is significant because you're effectively gutting the airframe, then what?
 
arslank01 said:
I agree with this, however, again, we would likely need to put a new engine in them and extend the structural life, im not actually sure its worth it for us. Though, i do support something being done with the Block 1's.

Perhaps a naval air wing is something to be considered, perhaps on the other hand, selling them off to nations like BD, Nigeria, Sri Lanka and other African states could be worth it, it all comes down to what the cost of this refurbishment would be. Giving the airframes for free, but charging these countries for the refurb could be a great way to keep MRF's skills sharp and also drag them into our sphere
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Pakistan could gift couple of them to Hindustan so they can learn how to build a fighter aircraft. I would even throw in a pack of karak chai.
 
arslank01 said:
and when they start suffering from fatigue issues, then what? when the cost of refurbing the aircraft is significant because you're effectively gutting the airframe, then what?
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Then why would Sri Lanka accept rejected/fatique fighters from Pakistan ?
 
should this visit be seen as an indication Rwanda maybe interested in the JF-17?

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FuturePAF said:
should this visit be seen as an indication Rwanda maybe interested in the JF-17?

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no, rwanda doesnt operate jets and the release didnt mention the JF-17, usually they are quick to say that xyz is interested int he jf17, they didnt this time, likely just after pilot training
 
Tank131 said:
Yes but block 1 is not what should be utilized. I think we often mistakenly regard the navy as a less important sphere but if there is one area where India has overwhelming superiority and supremacy its their navy. Nothing short of Block 2 or even block 3 in future should be used. To that end, it makes no sense at this stage to establish a naval fighter wing unless you have sufficient naval pilots capable of flying fast jets. You will need time to train such a wing and the navy needs to adjust its tactics and planning to accommodate this. This takes time. If it needs to be done faster, you could suggest to spin over the Haider's (No. 8 sqd) and their block 3s, making them the naval fighter wing permanently but this then would need to be replaced in the airforces numbers. With the current state of affairs, i dont see any of that happening. Better to push block 1s to another role or upgrades, or flat out sell/donate them.
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The thing is, a naval air wing's only real role is anti shipping, the PAF would oversee any a2a ops and for the most part any naval anti shipping.

The reason i say block 1's probably suffice is because they arent doing a whole lot other than acting as a launching platform. The concern ive got with the AF doing anti shipping is the potential for friendly fire. We have had instances where weve destroyed our own ships after misidentifying, so it wouldnt be too bad of a solution to have a dedicated 'light' anti ship wing to take over some work from the sultans and be dedicated purely to this mission.

Really, im not sure whether even JF-17s are the perfect solution for this role, but we dont really have any alternatives. Its Mirages or JF-17s, the reason why i also say having it be a dedicated Naval air wing allows the navy to customise their aircraft as needed. Some radars may suffer in performance over water for example, this way, the navy can customise, perfectly to their requirements. For example, the navy could approach oems like leonardo and request them to provide a variant of seaspray that can be flat mounted in the nose. This would give superior A2S performance at the cost of A2A performance but CAN still be used for A2A work, this way now the navy has a very capable, dedicated ASuW specialist aircraft, equipped with nothing but anti shippers or even torpedos to carry out these roles, while air to air coverage is provided by the PAF.

Just imagine a strike package of numerous JF-17B's equipped with 4 Light ASM's like Rasoob, saturating their ships 😋

Though, as usual, money will be the issue.
 
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