JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

I hadn’t expected that my post will shock few here. I was expecting a healthy discussion on that topic but perhaps wish lists of few have been shattered with just a single post. There is a problem in here with the few that when they are short of arguments (technically specially) then they will surely blame others to be suspicious. I quoted a senior resource within PAF which I knew and is currently posted in a very important position and was also involved in recent skirmishes. If someone has a source refuting my source’s claim he/she is welcome to share. The claim of J-10Cs backed up by F-16s is also validated by ex-AVM Arshad Malik. The video for reference is as follows:

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He said it again in another program with Farrukh Abbas on a Youtube channel owned by Javed Chaudhry:

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Arshad Malik is well respected among PAF since he is retired AVM and former project director of Thunder project. Now will you request the MOD to remove any videos featuring Retired AVM Arshad Malik? I am also a Thunder admirer and that news did really break my heart since I trusted my source but in the end I was happy and satisfied that PAF did really bag 6+1 kills without any scratch to its own fighter aircraft and completely dominated IAF in that BVR engagement.

How sad - except that the videos don’t talk to whatever you claim.
But you based of your vpn ip should not worry your head about it.

Everyone including the Jf-17s current and future customers know its capabilities and no one gives cow dung if “Shahzia” from Pakistan has a broken heart.
 
I’m genuinely surprised that a few individuals here—including a moderator—seem unwilling to consider opinions that differ from their own deeply held views. Let me be clear: repeatedly targeting any gender in discussions is, at the very least, sexist.


As a Pakistani citizen, I don’t feel the need to constantly validate my background or motivations. If my posts don't align with your views and you find them offensive, go ahead and block me. I have long been an active member of various Facebook groups focused on PAF related aircraft and can continue to engage there with like-minded individuals.


Shahzad Iqbal of Geo News reported this in his article that all the aircraft were shot down by J-10C. He was the first one breaking news of a 98 Nautical Miles engagement range by J-10C. His report was widely circulated in the media for 98 Nautical Miles BVR shoot down by J-10C. But because his news in that same article that all the aircraft being downed by J-10Cs were against the wishes of few here wasn't mentioned at all. Here is the reference for his article in The News:



Meanwhile you guys can live in your own world and follow fake posts like the recent post from "Ace of PAF" related to downing a MiG-29 UPG showing an image of JF-17 Block 2 armed with a PL-15 missile alongside it. That very image was debunked years ago when it was initially posted by Ace of PAF, and @Deino had already confirmed it as fake and nonsense at that time.
 
I’m genuinely surprised that a few individuals here—including a moderator—seem unwilling to consider opinions that differ from their own deeply held views. Let me be clear: repeatedly targeting any gender in discussions is, at the very least, sexist.


As a Pakistani citizen, I don’t feel the need to constantly validate my background or motivations. If my posts don't align with your views and you find them offensive, go ahead and block me. I have long been an active member of various Facebook groups focused on PAF related aircraft and can continue to engage there with like-minded individuals.


Shahzad Iqbal of Geo News reported this in his article that all the aircraft were shot down by J-10C. He was the first one breaking news of a 98 Nautical Miles engagement range by J-10C. His report was widely circulated in the media for 98 Nautical Miles BVR shoot down by J-10C. But because his news in that same article that all the aircraft being downed by J-10Cs were against the wishes of few here wasn't mentioned at all. Here is the reference for his article in The News:



Meanwhile you guys can live in your own world and follow fake posts like the recent post from "Ace of PAF" related to downing a MiG-29 UPG showing an image of JF-17 Block 2 armed with a PL-15 missile alongside it. That very image was debunked years ago when it was initially posted by Ace of PAF, and @Deino had already confirmed it as fake and nonsense at that time.
Hi,

5 posts to your name and you have started screaming at everyone---.

Do you really really think that you are the only one knowing a senior air force officer---?

Senior air force officers are known here dime a dozen---.

And then of all members you relate to Deino---the Israeli spy---ain't that something.

Ma'am---this is a defense forum---& not a Truth Forum---let that realization hit you.

Welcome and good luck on the forum---.
 
I’m genuinely surprised that a few individuals here—including a moderator—seem unwilling to consider opinions that differ from their own deeply held views. Let me be clear: repeatedly targeting any gender in discussions is, at the very least, sexist.


As a Pakistani citizen, I don’t feel the need to constantly validate my background or motivations. If my posts don't align with your views and you find them offensive, go ahead and block me. I have long been an active member of various Facebook groups focused on PAF related aircraft and can continue to engage there with like-minded individuals.


Shahzad Iqbal of Geo News reported this in his article that all the aircraft were shot down by J-10C. He was the first one breaking news of a 98 Nautical Miles engagement range by J-10C. His report was widely circulated in the media for 98 Nautical Miles BVR shoot down by J-10C. But because his news in that same article that all the aircraft being downed by J-10Cs were against the wishes of few here wasn't mentioned at all. Here is the reference for his article in The News:



Meanwhile you guys can live in your own world and follow fake posts like the recent post from "Ace of PAF" related to downing a MiG-29 UPG showing an image of JF-17 Block 2 armed with a PL-15 missile alongside it. That very image was debunked years ago when it was initially posted by Ace of PAF, and @Deino had already confirmed it as fake and nonsense at that time.
I agree, no one should abuse your sex, whatever that may be, although it's clear you're an idiot who doesn't know what you're talking about. Before this conflict the PAF released images of JF17 with dual rack PL15s. The PAF used approx 40 aircraft, most of which were JF17s, given the fewer number of J10Cs in the fleet. It's highly likely that some of the kills were attributed to the JF17. But in any case, let's assume you're right, let's just say all the 6 Indian fighters were destroyed by the handful of J10Cs, that just goes to show the superiority of the J10 against the Rafale and the best the IAF has, so what? You have a serious inferiority complex about the JF17 for some reason, I wonder why? Whether you're female or gender fluid, or a transgender indian pretending to be a Pakistani, it doesn't really matter or change anything. You can carry on with your inferiority complex about the JF17.
 
I’m genuinely surprised that a few individuals here—including a moderator—seem unwilling to consider opinions that differ from their own deeply held views. Let me be clear: repeatedly targeting any gender in discussions is, at the very least, sexist.


As a Pakistani citizen, I don’t feel the need to constantly validate my background or motivations. If my posts don't align with your views and you find them offensive, go ahead and block me. I have long been an active member of various Facebook groups focused on PAF related aircraft and can continue to engage there with like-minded individuals.


Shahzad Iqbal of Geo News reported this in his article that all the aircraft were shot down by J-10C. He was the first one breaking news of a 98 Nautical Miles engagement range by J-10C. His report was widely circulated in the media for 98 Nautical Miles BVR shoot down by J-10C. But because his news in that same article that all the aircraft being downed by J-10Cs were against the wishes of few here wasn't mentioned at all. Here is the reference for his article in The News:



Meanwhile you guys can live in your own world and follow fake posts like the recent post from "Ace of PAF" related to downing a MiG-29 UPG showing an image of JF-17 Block 2 armed with a PL-15 missile alongside it. That very image was debunked years ago when it was initially posted by Ace of PAF, and @Deino had already confirmed it as fake and nonsense at that time.
You are giving away your identity too soon.
You should have wait a bit more.
Desperate.... But why?
 
What is the range of JF-17 Block 3 AESA radar ? some indians now saying that its radar cannot even match the export version of PL-15E which is 145KM?

Also did we shifted to chinese variant of rd33 engine or we still on russian engine?
 
So many posters who joined in the past couple of weeks all of a sudden interested to know about the JF17 :)
 
What is the range of JF-17 Block 3 AESA radar ? some indians now saying that its radar cannot even match the export version of PL-15E which is 145KM?

Also did we shifted to chinese variant of rd33 engine or we still on russian engine?
Your indian sources are correct, just as they were correct about the range of the "export" variant of the PL15E.
 
Your indian sources are correct, just as they were correct about the range of the "export" variant of the PL15E.
Brother, I’ve come with my full name, and you can check me on Google Scholar. I’m not Indian, but when those Indian nonsense videos came up on YouTube, I watched them, though I couldn’t watch them fully. They were saying they have some UK drone that can copy the RCS and electronic signature of any aircraft, haha and the Pakistanis got fooled, thinking they shot down our plane. So, you fools, why was then the IAF grounded for two days due to a tactical error? They didn’t discuss that. Then they went on to say they hit 11% of PAF assets in the air and on the ground, and the next guy was saying that amounts to 40 planes, and that’s when I’d had enough. They’ve become an extremely ignorant nation; otherwise, I used to rate them highly intellectually before. That’s when this question came to my mind while they were discussing the JF-17. and if there are any sensitive information it must not be discussed here openly. if radar range and engine secrecy can have some advantage in the future encounter for us then my questions must be ignored
 
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@MastanKhan Your replies have been logical and I totally agree that a lot of people here know senior officers of PAF. I already told that why I trusted my source or why I think my source info was right. Everyone has the right to disagree with me in a a professional manner and can share the details which are otherwise so it can add to my knowledge. So let us agree to disagree on this. That person @Corax whatever his/her real name is, abusing and swearing at me with words like "Idiot" instead of replying in a dignified manner should I not complain? I have been following this forum since years ago when it was defence.pk. As I already said I am a Thunder admirer and aviation enthusiast so right after the clashes I started looking for answers if JF-17 Block 3 was able to score its debut kill. I watched interviews of some PAF retired officers like AVM Arshad Malik, Air Commodore Khalid Chishti, Retired Air Marshal Masood Akhtar, AM Ammar, AVM Shehzad Chaudhry etc. All of them were just discussing and praising J-10Cs downing Rafales. It was frustrating for me that why Block 3 isn't being discussed at all. I was eagerly and I am currently waiting for the news of Thunder's first kill. I was hoping that Thunder scoring a kill and was very happy when I assumed that Thunder indeed scored a kill in 2019 until I read an article on Retired Air Commodore Kasier Tufail's blog that it wasn't the case so I posted a question in that blog I was lucky enough that I was the only one getting a reply in comments section of that blog by Kaiser Tufail where he said: "rest assured next time around it will be JF-17 score." That reply is still there in his blog. I will be more than happy if my source info turns out to be false. Hoping eagerly for Awards ceremony just like "Mujahideen e Aflaak ko Salaam" held in 2019 where there will be disclosure of pilots hopefully.

Strongly disagree with what you said about @Deino He is the one who has been praising Thunder since years ago.


@Corax
Why should I have an inferiority complex about the Thunders? Is it my son that I should feel inferior about it? Your post lacks maturity. Please go back and read my earlier posts where I clearly said I was very happy and satisfied that the PAF completely dominated the IAF that night, scoring all the kills without a single scratch on its aircraft.


I suggest that instead of arguing just for the sake of it, you take the time to read posts carefully and in full before responding.
 
What is the range of JF-17 Block 3 AESA radar ? some indians now saying that its radar cannot even match the export version of PL-15E which is 145KM?

Also did we shifted to chinese variant of rd33 engine or we still on russian engine?

It's important to critically evaluate information from any media source. Some reports from Indian media may reflect biases, so it's best to verify facts from multiple credible sources. The world is rapidly evolving, and staying informed through diverse perspectives is essential.

Here is the answer to your question:

Even if a fighter jet has a shorter radar range than its opponent, it can still achieve a successful kill using networked warfare tactics. Here's how it works:
  1. Satellite & AWACS Support: Instead of relying solely on its onboard radar, the fighter can receive targeting data from airborne early warning and control systems (AWACS) or military satellites, extending its effective engagement range.
  2. Off-Board Guidance: Some beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles can lock onto targets using external radar feeds, eliminating the need for the launching aircraft to maintain a direct radar lock.
  3. Data-Linking & Coordination: Modern fighter jets are equipped with secure data links that allow them to share real-time targeting information with friendly aircraft, drones, or ground-based radar stations.
  4. Passive Engagement: A fighter can remain undetected by operating in a silent mode, relying on external sources for target data while launching missiles that use GPS coordinates or infrared homing.
This kind of networked combat is becoming a major game-changer, allowing fighters with less advanced radar systems to counter technologically superior opponents.

Regarding JF-17 engine, Pakistan will continue to use Russian engine in Block 3.
 
It's important to critically evaluate information from any media source. Some reports from Indian media may reflect biases, so it's best to verify facts from multiple credible sources. The world is rapidly evolving, and staying informed through diverse perspectives is essential.

Here is the answer to your question:

Even if a fighter jet has a shorter radar range than its opponent, it can still achieve a successful kill using networked warfare tactics. Here's how it works:
  1. Satellite & AWACS Support: Instead of relying solely on its onboard radar, the fighter can receive targeting data from airborne early warning and control systems (AWACS) or military satellites, extending its effective engagement range.
  2. Off-Board Guidance: Some beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles can lock onto targets using external radar feeds, eliminating the need for the launching aircraft to maintain a direct radar lock.
  3. Data-Linking & Coordination: Modern fighter jets are equipped with secure data links that allow them to share real-time targeting information with friendly aircraft, drones, or ground-based radar stations.
  4. Passive Engagement: A fighter can remain undetected by operating in a silent mode, relying on external sources for target data while launching missiles that use GPS coordinates or infrared homing.
This kind of networked combat is becoming a major game-changer, allowing fighters with less advanced radar systems to counter technologically superior opponents.
I have read that ABC article. the question is whether we have integrated PL15 also with our awacs? if yes then india is doomed as no way they can have something like metoer and no way they can integrate them without french
 
@MastanKhan Your replies have been logical and I totally agree that a lot of people here know senior officers of PAF. I already told that why I trusted my source or why I think my source info was right. Everyone has the right to disagree with me in a a professional manner and can share the details which are otherwise so it can add to my knowledge. So let us agree to disagree on this. That person @Corax whatever his/her real name is, abusing and swearing at me with words like "Idiot" instead of replying in a dignified manner should I not complain? I have been following this forum since years ago when it was defence.pk. As I already said I am a Thunder admirer and aviation enthusiast so right after the clashes I started looking for answers if JF-17 Block 3 was able to score its debut kill. I watched interviews of some PAF retired officers like AVM Arshad Malik, Air Commodore Khalid Chishti, Retired Air Marshal Masood Akhtar, AM Ammar, AVM Shehzad Chaudhry etc. All of them were just discussing and praising J-10Cs downing Rafales. It was frustrating for me that why Block 3 isn't being discussed at all. I was eagerly and I am currently waiting for the news of Thunder's first kill. I was hoping that Thunder scoring a kill and was very happy when I assumed that Thunder indeed scored a kill in 2019 until I read an article on Retired Air Commodore Kasier Tufail's blog that it wasn't the case so I posted a question in that blog I was lucky enough that I was the only one getting a reply in comments section of that blog by Kaiser Tufail where he said: "rest assured next time around it will be JF-17 score." That reply is still there in his blog. I will be more than happy if my source info turns out to be false. Hoping eagerly for Awards ceremony just like "Mujahideen e Aflaak ko Salaam" held in 2019 where there will be disclosure of pilots hopefully.

Strongly disagree with what you said about @Deino He is the one who has been praising Thunder since years ago.


@Corax
Why should I have an inferiority complex about the Thunders? Is it my son that I should feel inferior about it? Your post lacks maturity. Please go back and read my earlier posts where I clearly said I was very happy and satisfied that the PAF completely dominated the IAF that night, scoring all the kills without a single scratch on its aircraft.


I suggest that instead of arguing just for the sake of it, you take the time to read posts carefully and in full before responding.
Hi,

Your diction---you seem to be too literate to depend on an air marshal or someone else---but you are using them as a crutch---.

Bottomline---we disclose what we want to---we propagate what we need to---.

You are giving too much credit to retd Air Marshalls---who are just cashing in on their obsolete tactical information---and depending on heresay---.
 
I have read that ABC article. the question is whether we have integrated PL15 also with our awacs? if yes then india is doomed as no way they can have something like metoer and no way they can integrate them without french
Pakistani air force uses Link-17 system ensures secure communication between fighter jets, AWACS, and ground-based radar, enhancing battlefield awareness and coordination. These capabilities significantly strengthen Pakistan’s air combat effectiveness.
 

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