JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

Oscar said:
Has not happened. No point in riddles either.
Single seaters capped at 30ish and Block-3 “lite” B models added. Currently in tortoise limbo putting in additional infra for PFX and UCAV assembly.

Nothing wrong with the “halt” of block-3.
It’s very advanced but things change and certain priorities take precedence. Block-3.5 might even be what PFX(even more localized Jf-17) is.

Requirements change all the time - swift retort changed things to Bunyan Al Marsoos and it will change things suddenly again
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The real question to be asked is what changed this time for the aircraft? like now we have felt and thinking for a real deep strike heavy platform apart from defensive poster?
 
Tariq Habib Afridi said:
The real question to be asked is what changed this time for the aircraft? like now we have felt and thinking for a real deep strike heavy platform apart from defensive poster?
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Because so far sanitizing 300km of Indian airspace doesn’t seem to be an issue and they immediately retreat behind it to launch long range systems from there.
 
Oscar said:
Because so far sanitizing 300km of Indian airspace doesn’t seem to be an issue and they immediately retreat behind it to launch long range systems from there.
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But they have quantity? and we have alot of legacy fighters? we only have around 50 (J17C+J10CE) why stopping now atleast make these 4.5 to reach atleast 100? they have Su30MKI around 250 and they are upgrading them to super sukhoi plus now they have Rafale. Like what really changes the PAF strategy all sudden ? are they hoping for medium or heavy 4.5++ gen now?
 
Tariq Habib Afridi said:
Assalam U Alaikum,

With respect sir if we get a parallel production facility i cannot think how it wont be good for us? We will get the first hand know how of how a complete 4.5-gen fighter aircraft is made. It will also help us in upgrades that is only our need? Meanwhile china can also benefit from us if we brought some good upgrades to it or installed some good newer weapons of ours?
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Hi,

Seems like you don't have any real time field experience at all---or you are just pushing your comments just for the sake of it---.

We will tell china about upgrades like we have done before and they will do the upgrades at their cost.

I hope that this concept is not foreign to you---.

By the way---what subject is your Masters & PhD in---( so that I can communicate better with you ). My background is in automotive engineering, microbiology, biochemistry, human physiology & english literature at the somewhat bachelor degree level.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Seems like you don't have any real time field experience at all---or you are just pushing your comments just for the sake of it---.

We will tell china about upgrades like we have done before and they will do the upgrades at their cost.

I hope that this concept is not foreign to you---.

By the way---what subject is your Masters & PhD in---( so that I can communicate better with you ). My background is in automotive engineering, microbiology, biochemistry, human physiology & english literature at the somewhat bachelor degree level.
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automotive engineering,
microbiology,
biochemistry,
human physiology &
english literature

Quite unusual combination sir :unsure:
 
Oscar said:
Has not happened. No point in riddles either.
Single seaters capped at 30ish and Block-3 “lite” B models added. Currently in tortoise limbo putting in additional infra for PFX and UCAV assembly.

Nothing wrong with the “halt” of block-3.
It’s very advanced but things change and certain priorities take precedence. Block-3.5 might even be what PFX(even more localized Jf-17) is.

Requirements change all the time - swift retort changed things to Bunyan Al Marsoos and it will change things suddenly again
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We need to guard East and West borders now. Requirements changed. Need near 250-300 PL-15 capable jets. Better to do "lite" upgrade to all Block I&II's with AESA radar for PL-15 capability vs. full feature block III upgrades that can happen slowly later.

Add more J-10C in numbers, retire Mirages and remaining F-7. Then comes J-35, PFX might become the KAAN renamed.

My opinion? Additionally, find a 6th gen project that China will induct in PLAAF / PLAAN also. Overtime invest in it for the future. You won't get that capability outside of China. Defense budget sadly needs revising until needed capability is acquired. Our threat perception just made a near 100% U turn.
 
MastanKhan said:
Hi,

Seems like you don't have any real time field experience at all---or you are just pushing your comments just for the sake of it---.

We will tell china about upgrades like we have done before and they will do the upgrades at their cost.

I hope that this concept is not foreign to you---.

By the way---what subject is your Masters & PhD in---( so that I can communicate better with you ). My background is in automotive engineering, microbiology, biochemistry, human physiology & english literature at the somewhat bachelor degree level.
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Assalam-u-Alaikum, Sir,


You’re correct; I lack direct field experience, as my 10 years of professional work have been in the software industry. My intention isn’t to push comments for the sake of it—I genuinely believe this proposal could enhance our capabilities. My academic background is in computer science, with a PhD in artificial intelligence. I appreciate your diverse expertise in automotive engineering, microbiology, biochemistry, human physiology, and English literature, and I hope this context helps us communicate more effectively.
 
Ali_Baba said:
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This picture just shows you how much of a beast the F16 is for air-to-ground missions where it can carry so much more load.

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The F16 load is viable for a mission, the JF17 cannot replicate that as it always needs those extra fuel tanks in most missions.
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I think we would be straying off topic with F-16s here.....but this kind of load out and use is only possible when the enemy AD is completely destroyed....i.e. Israel vs Iran recently.

With long range SAMs and long range AA missiles, you can only hope to launch salvo of smart cruise missiles to make it to target.
 
Oscar said:
They will have little interest in J-10 soon.
Their fight is of a different nature - doesn’t reflect on either JF-17 or J-10. Just different requirements.

It is possible PAF may decide it’s done with JF-17
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JF-17 should be done! It's a 2000's airframe with limits, but a great workhorse! We need to not repeat F-16 attachment again. Time to move on to more advanced jets.

Oscar - Hope you are well. Seeing so many old names after years.
 
RajaBaja said:
JF-17 should be done! It's a 2000's airframe with limits, but a great workhorse! We need to not repeat F-16 attachment again. Time to move on to more advanced jets.

Oscar - Hope you are well. Seeing so many old names after years.
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It’s not about attachment - its about infrastructure and investment (monetary, logistical, personnel, tactics etc) that are associated with the platform.

Same reason why B-52 outlasted the B-1. The much derided “love affair” with the F-16 had very valid reasons. The JF-17 has some of it but not that substantial because unlike the F-16 nothing prevents PAF from making more or changing anything they want on the JF-17. And the infrastructure bought for it is fully reusable for something new.
 
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