JH-7 as a Missile Hauler Repurposing MastanKhans idea

[Rational Philosopher]

Heard the same mantra in 2016 about J10's and even about J35's few months ago ..
J10's were finally acquired and hence you see the results..
J35 however is largely due to recent air battle... expect 20-25 by the end of the year ..
H20 is required NOW more than ever..... NOTHING is expensive if security is at stake ....
Here is an article about Ukraine Russia war specifically highlighting the aspects of R 37m's being used by Russians, and here is view of one of the Ukrainian pilot :

"The R-37M isn’t scoring a lot of “hard” kills resulting in the destruction of a Ukrainian plane, according to Juice. But it is forcing Ukrainian pilots to break away from their planned flight paths in order to perform evasive maneuvers.

That could count as a “soft” kill. Even when it doesn’t shoot them down, the R-37M might be preventing Ukrainian pilots from completing their missions."
The entire article below

With F-16s, Ukrainian Pilots Could Finally Beat Back Russia’s MiG-31s

F-16s firing AIM-120s are at a range disadvantage compared to MiG-31s firing R-37Ms. But much less of a disadvantage than what the Ukrainian air arm currently suffers.

www.forbes.com

The Point is if PAF gets some long heavy arms something like H20, it can help achieve PAF total air dominance be able to strike on mass and that too further deep into Indian territory while keeping the heavy bombers on safe distance.....

China would never export the H-20 ever. Just like the USA has never exported F-22 or B-2. They are extremely high-tech strategic assets. It also is not in its geopolitical interests as it doesn't want Pakistan to dominate India, but just maintain a deterrence.

And the comparison with J-10 makes no sense since Pakistan was always going to get a 4th gen fighter from somewhere, so Chinese option was always possible. Whereas large bombers are unaffordable to field, especially the surrounding infrastructure, and not a must as the PAFs doctrine has always been deterrence due to economic disparity.

 

[Khanivore]

It makes more sense to have an upgraded J-10 that carries 6-8 BVRs. We already know the J-10 can carry up to 6x PL-15s, 2x PL-10s and 2x Fuel tanks. There's no need to buy the old JH-7. If PAF can get their hands on J-16/J-16Ds, that will make far more sense, but the Russians are the obstacle.

 

[Michael]

The Flounder by today’s standard is a very outdated design with primary shortcomings displayed in poor high AoA performance (that resulted in many incidents with fatalities) and poor engines with lackluster thrust (reverse engineered Rolls-Royce Spey) that pretty much ruled it out of being a multi-role platform. There has been proposals to fit it with a multi-purpose pulse doppler radar enabling the use of BVR missiles like PL-12, but eventually the PLAAF concluded that the platform is too limited for said refit to be worth their while. It really is fundamentally a cold war era fighter bomber, as in designed for ultra-low altitude penetration and the “fighter” bit of the “fighter-bomber” just means it can carry some infrared missiles to defend itself, somewhat.

While the Flounder still do show up as an export option under the moniker FBC-1, but in reality the model have already ceased production, and it is mainly kept in service just because it has enough ground clearance to comfortably carry large diameter AShMs like the YJ-12. If Pakistan wants to procure a heavy strike platform it will have to come up with something else.

You are correct for the most part, but I have some additional notes.

The JH-7 is indeed an ancient fighter, and it is outdated in many ways. It was discontinued many years ago. However, at certain international airshows in the last couple of years, we have seen this. the JH-7E. we have absolutely no idea what changes have been made inside it.


The JH-7 is certainly not a top-notch fighter in the current Chinese foreign trade arsenal. But it still has some very good features.

1. We may think it's insignificant. But in fact, it's a bit bigger than the J-10. Most importantly, its belly can mount heavy missiles, a capability that the J-10 does not have.



How will India feel if PAF buys a JH-7E and then mounts a YJ-21E in its belly?

2, JH-7 did have a lot of accidents early on. But China's military industrialization enterprises keep improving it, and it has become very safe in the later stage. Most importantly, it is very cheap and a very cost effective platform.

3. It can mount nuclear bombs ......

 

[Zarvan]

But is it available to Pakistan? It's based on Soviet/Russian design (Su-30 MKK/MKK2) with indigenous avionics , So I don't think it's available to Pakistan because its design is RUSSIAN INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY

It would be if we want.

 

[MastanKhan]

F-15EX has always been opposed by the USAF. It was Biden who pushed it.

Hi

Pakistan air force had also opposed the J10's for about 17 years----.

Now all the Paf personal have become its father.

Thank you Gen. Musharraf for the J10's.

 

[Yommie]

Hi

Pakistan air force had also opposed the J10's for about 17 years----.

Now all the Paf personal have become its father.

Thank you Gen. Musharraf for the J10's.

F-15EX has no particular value to the USAF. It's not as good as F-35 in the air to air role. It's not as good as B-21 in the air to ground role. It's a waste of resources.

 

[MastanKhan]

F-15EX has no particular value to the USAF. It's not as good as F-35 in the air to air role. It's not as good as B-21 in the air to ground role. It's a waste of resources.

Hi,

Israel has ordered some more of them.

It will be a missile truck---being guided thru an F35---.

It is not the aircraft but how you can utilize it.

Just like the JF17 BLK3---over shadowed by the J10C in this conflict---even though supposedly it got the first kill / kills---but as capable as the J10C---.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

If you are referring to the new three engine CAC aircraft, that is not the JH-XX. Anyone that still refers to that aircraft as either JH-XX or some sort of regional bomber is very misguided, as the project have both visible and documented doctrinal features that firmly suggests otherwise, but that's another story.

And no, as a broadband stealth aircraft capable of sustained supersonic cruise, able to penetrate all existing Indian air defence systems and aerial platforms will not be up for export for the foreseeable future. Again, the goal is to maintain parity between Pakistan and India. India gains advanced 4.5 gen fighter, Pakistan gets advanced 4.5 gen fighter. When India finally pulls its head out of its ass and shift from AMCA back to the FGFA, Pakistan will get FC-31.

As for when will the subcontinent moves into 6th gen, it's simply not in the foreseeable future.

Realistically if Pakistan is that desperate for a strike fighter, the best bet would be entering a joint development venture to scale up the Hondu JL-10 with an enlarged fuselage to house either the WS-13 or the WS-10, to be something like the superhornet.

No I'm not talking J36 but 5th gen JH-XX which will replace H-6 (Tu-16 copy) of regional bomber, Chinese military aviation blogspot hints that it's in development

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

It would be if we want.

No, I don't think so Russia will give the permission to China to sell it to Pakistan

 

[baqai]

can be a good potent SEAD/DEAD, electronic warfare and data link platform for the package

 

[Yommie]

Hi,

Israel has ordered some more of them.

It will be a missile truck---being guided thru an F35---.

It is not the aircraft but how you can utilize it.

Just like the JF17 BLK3---over shadowed by the J10C in this conflict---even though supposedly it got the first kill / kills---but as capable as the J10C---.

Israel does not have strategic bombers like the US has. F-15EX may have value for Israel. That's not true for the US.

 

[MastanKhan]

Israel does not have strategic bombers like the US has. F-15EX may have value for Israel. That's not true for the US.

Hi,

We are discussing a missile truck---a tactical strike aircraft type. This new F15 can possibly carry around 18 BVR's.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Israel does not have strategic bombers like the US has. F-15EX may have value for Israel. That's not true for the US.

F-15EX is not STRATEGIC BOMBER but a TACTICAL BOMBER

DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE STRATEGIC BOMBERS ARE?

 

[MH.Yang]

Heard the same mantra in 2016 about J10's and even about J35's few months ago ..
J10's were finally acquired and hence you see the results..
J35 however is largely due to recent air battle... expect 20-25 by the end of the year ..
H20 is required NOW more than ever..... NOTHING is expensive if security is at stake ....
Here is an article about Ukraine Russia war specifically highlighting the aspects of R 37m's being used by Russians, and here is view of one of the Ukrainian pilot :

"The R-37M isn’t scoring a lot of “hard” kills resulting in the destruction of a Ukrainian plane, according to Juice. But it is forcing Ukrainian pilots to break away from their planned flight paths in order to perform evasive maneuvers.

That could count as a “soft” kill. Even when it doesn’t shoot them down, the R-37M might be preventing Ukrainian pilots from completing their missions."
The entire article below

With F-16s, Ukrainian Pilots Could Finally Beat Back Russia’s MiG-31s

F-16s firing AIM-120s are at a range disadvantage compared to MiG-31s firing R-37Ms. But much less of a disadvantage than what the Ukrainian air arm currently suffers.

www.forbes.com

The Point is if PAF gets some long heavy arms something like H20, it can help achieve PAF total air dominance be able to strike on mass and that too further deep into Indian territory while keeping the heavy bombers on safe distance.....

This is the first time I've read of anyone wanting to buy the H-20, as I'm afraid it would be even harder to get the Chinese government to agree to export it than the J-20.

These things are very expensive to operate and the US at full strength could only operate 19 B-2s. why not consider something more cost effective? I still recommend the J-16D.

 

[MH.Yang]

No I'm not talking J36 but 5th gen JH-XX which will replace H-6 (Tu-16 copy) of regional bomber, Chinese military aviation blogspot hints that it's in development

The H-6 is even capable of launching the ballistic missile CH-AS-X-13 (DF-21D) with a range of 5,000km and the anti-ship missile YJ-21 with a range of 4,000km. it is not replaceable by the JH-XX.