Jinnah Class Frigate | Updates & Discussion

[Ak01]

Clearly announced in the ex navy chief’s farewell speech.

do you have a link- i dont know if ive seen it or not

 

[Bilal]

do you have a link- i dont know if ive seen it or not

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@10:50 but I would recommend listening to the whole. He also talks about laser based DEW and other projects.

 

[Quwa]

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@10:50 but I would recommend listening to the whole. He also talks about laser based DEW and other projects.

This speech had more ideationally, culturally, and progressively-driven points than any past Pakistani leader's speech in decades. IMO, the CNS here was an unsung statesman and nation-builder.

 

[Bilal]

This speech had more ideationally, culturally, and progressively-driven points than any past Pakistani leader's speech in decades. IMO, the CNS here was an unsung statesman and nation-builder.

Yes! I remember losing it when the chief before him disclosed Harba. This was on a next level. Very informative.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This speech had more ideationally, culturally, and progressively-driven points than any past Pakistani leader's speech in decades. IMO, the CNS here was an unsung statesman and nation-builder.

Interesting video - thanks for that - watched it all - but i did twitch on the "teaching of the quran, and sharia at PN institutions" stuff. I know i am in the minority of view on that in this forum, but to me, religion is a personal obligation that you believe and guide your life by and then are judged against those standards, "state institutions" should not be teaching about religion, etc (imho)....

(apologies if I derail the thread on this alittle!).

 

[Michael]

Did any of you conside chinese type52c refurbish for pn ... there are total of 6 in pla navy and all 6 could sold to pn post refurbished and upgrade with latest electronics and weapons ...

There are 6 Type 052C destroyers in total, built in two batches (2+4). The difference between the two batches is mainly the engine.

The first batch has two ships, namely #170 Lanzhou and #171 Haikou. UGT-25000 engine. They just completed the mid-term upgrade a few years ago. So, it is unlikely that they will be sold now.

The second batch has four ships, namely #150 Changchun, #151 Zhengzhou, #152 Jinan, #153 Xi'an. CGT-25000 engine. They have not yet undergone mid-term upgrades and should fall into the category of "can be sold after early retirement".

The Type 052C's vertical launch system is a circular 6-tube VLS. If it is converted to the square 8-tube VLS (H/HT-1) used by the Type 052D, the cost will be too high, so it is better to build a new 052D. Therefore, the PLA Navy did not replace the VLS when converting the Type 052C.

According to media feedback data

The cost of the first batch of Type 052C is about RMB 4.8 billion per ship. The reason for the high cost is that the cost of technology verification and R&D (including radar/weapons and other R&D costs) is very high.
For the second batch, the cost is stable at about RMB 2.5 billion per ship.
Among them, the radar system has the highest cost share, with a cost price of about RMB 500 million per set.

These prices are the cost prices when they were built.

 

[Quwa]

Interesting video - thanks for that - watched it all - but i did twitch on the "teaching of the quran, and sharia at PN institutions" stuff. I know i am in the minority of view on that in this forum, but to me, religion is a personal obligation that you believe and guide your life by and then are judged against those standards, "state institutions" should not be teaching about religion, etc (imho)....

(apologies if I derail the thread on this alittle!).

IMO...a sign of strong statesmanship is to force a discussion on crucial matters. The statesman could be right or wrong, but not dealing with a point of difference prevents us from resolving it intellectually or achieving a real sense of collective conviction.

 

[farooqbhai]

IMO...a sign of strong statesmanship is to force a discussion on crucial matters. The statesman could be right or wrong, but not dealing with a point of difference prevents us from resolving it intellectually or achieving a real sense of collective conviction.

Not to mention that PN is also the first tri services branch that has completely reworked its Social Media Footprint. Apart from signiganctly increasing there SM footprint with individual accounts for each of the commands, they also have invited not just TV news crews but also various Defense related accounts/bloggers from social media to there recent exercises starting last year. And depending on certain factors like opsec, they have invited smaller no of select guests for visits to various facilities too.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Navy has been impressive in their quality upgrade, the planned upgrade and planning 15 years in advance

 

[Falcon26]

This speech had more ideationally, culturally, and progressively-driven points than any past Pakistani leader's speech in decades. IMO, the CNS here was an unsung statesman and nation-builder.

What came of the P-282? It’s been four years and no activity.

 

[hussain0216]

What came of the P-282? It’s been four years and no activity.

Is smash P-282 and eventually it will be given more and more range so we have a 700km-1000km supersonic missile, or is P-282 a completely new missile

 

[Quwa]

What came of the P-282? It’s been four years and no activity.

If P282 is a 'hypersonic ASBM' then I suspect it's some ways out. It makes sense that it'd follow the SMASH, the supersonic ASBM. But I also wonder... I'm assuming P282 is part of a wider program to start pushing hypersonic BMs. So, maybe the Army's needs are being prioritized. I also wonder... Is there a chance that Fatah-III or IV are hypersonic? Think about it, the Fatah-III has a range of 450 km, which isn't a big range improvement over the -2, so why the need for such a marginal improvement? Maybe something's bigger at play?

 

[Falcon26]

Is smash P-282 and eventually it will be given more and more range so we have a 700km-1000km supersonic missile, or is P-282 a completely new missile

Questions to ponder at night…

 

[Ak01]

What came of the P-282? It’s been four years and no activity.

I feel like P282 and SMASH were merged or one of them became the CM302.

It was very clear from the getgo, that both were independent programs, one for a ballistic missile, one, probably for a supersonic cruising missile.

SMASH then ended up being the navy's version of FATAH 2- with some optimisations- it leaves the question what is the navy doing for its cruising missiles?

I think, SMASH was never meant to be fatah, but was rather forced to be it. I also think the navy will go all in on CM302 and secure a production license maybe and call it something else.

What is left to be answered is what value the navy see's in AShBM's deployed from ships. No navy in the world does this, barring china, but they're targetting carriers, we dont have many carriers to target. It would make a ton more sense to have shore based batteries, but not onboard ships. Soviet experiments showed it was not wise, the Indians decomissioned dhanush, im not sure what theyve done to bring the CEP back down from 10m to ensure you can effectively target a ship, nor do we know what theyre going to be doing for Homing, let alone whether we have the supportive ISR network to be able to carry out such strikes. Leave SMASH on TEL's in the hands of the navy, they should not be carried on ships

 

[Quwa]

I feel like P282 and SMASH were merged or one of them became the CM302.

It was very clear from the getgo, that both were independent programs, one for a ballistic missile, one, probably for a supersonic cruising missile.

SMASH then ended up being the navy's version of FATAH 2- with some optimisations- it leaves the question what is the navy doing for its cruising missiles?

I think, SMASH was never meant to be fatah, but was rather forced to be it. I also think the navy will go all in on CM302 and secure a production license maybe and call it something else.

What is left to be answered is what value the navy see's in AShBM's deployed from ships. No navy in the world does this, barring china, but they're targetting carriers, we dont have many carriers to target. It would make a ton more sense to have shore based batteries, but not onboard ships. Soviet experiments showed it was not wise, the Indians decomissioned dhanush, im not sure what theyve done to bring the CEP back down from 10m to ensure you can effectively target a ship, nor do we know what theyre going to be doing for Homing, let alone whether we have the supportive ISR network to be able to carry out such strikes. Leave SMASH on TEL's in the hands of the navy, they should not be carried on ships

It could be to build diversity into anti-ship attack vectors, i.e., they want to deploy all forms (subsonic cruising, supersonic cruising, supersonic BM, hypersonic BM) at sea to complicate air interception.