Jinnah Class Frigate | Updates & Discussion

[delta2]

Wrong thread. BTW, nothing wrong in name though. We share a common history for several centuries. Pakistan is home to indus valley civilization.

You know what, the indus river name came first. The words india, hind and utlimately hindustan were all derived from it. Search it and you wil find interesting facts.

So fundamentally We own the word Indus, and whatever word is derived from it like India. So if one knows the history, they'd just feel good about it and won't think it named exclusively on modern day (divided) India. The name indian ocean came long before we separated. This land of ours was called India too. So basically the ocean was named on our joint land. and today we are home to that very indus civilization from which everything began. I consider the name indian ocean more related with our ancient civilization and not so with modern day india.

The Hindustanis are brutally obsessed with the Indus River and the Indus Valley Civilization. They are dying to create an even an artificial link of any of their languages to the Indus Valley script which still has not been deciphered as of yet.

Imagine Tamils going through pains to find a link with with this region in one way or another, goin so far as to even offering a bribe (prize).

 

[Oscar]

Not sure what renaming areas based on cultural and historical aspects has to do with Jinnah class - sometimes best to not post a thought where you are.

 

[Toxic]

IIRC, the Turkish Navy designed the MILGEM and then licensed it out to state-owned and private shipbuilders and designers for them to modify, rework, etc. That's why we see many different variants, both of the core Ada (e.g., Babur-class) and beyond that (e.g., Istif-class, Jinnah-class/AS3400, and the AS3600).

IMO, the NRDI/PDW likely has direct access to both the AS3400 (which underpins the Jinnah-class) and the AS3600. So, we'll likely see an AS3600-based tranche down the line.

The key, IMO, is how soon they adopt long-range SAMs.

I think there is an increasing chance they will rework the Jinnah-class at some point, possibly even as early as the first 2 ships, if the MILDAS VLS can support it, to carry the SIPER or CAMM-ER-v2 (analogous to the CAMM-MR).

Likewise, the Tughril-class FFGs may see an upgrade to the HQ-16FE relatively soon as well.

I really doubt the AS3600, it's a Psudo destroyer in terms of armament will have a price tag that will reflect that.

I could see the JCF evolve to incorporate 32 VLS cells (of what ever type) but not to the level of AS3600.

As HQ-16FE on the Tughrils I thinksit's a matter of When and not If, PN I think recognizes that Tughrils as they are currently are floating reefs, also it's the Easiest way for the PN to get a Area defense frigate without having to spend $600million for one.

Potentially costing as little as $70 mil per hull.

 

[studsmart]

Wrong thread. BTW, nothing wrong in name though. We share a common history for several centuries. Pakistan is home to indus valley civilization.

You know what, the indus river name came first. The words india, hind and utlimately hindustan were all derived from it. Search it and you wil find interesting facts.

So fundamentally We own the word Indus, and whatever word is derived from it like India. So if one knows the history, they'd just feel good about it and won't think it named exclusively on modern day (divided) India. The name indian ocean came long before we separated. This land of ours was called India too. So basically the ocean was named on our joint land. and today we are home to that very indus civilization from which everything began. I consider the name indian ocean more related with our ancient civilization and not so with modern day india.

I used to think that way, but if India is becoming a Hindu state for Hindus and not others, then this is what is coming next. Either they should consider South Asia for Asians, then Sindh becomes Indus, that becomes Hindustan, in parallel it becomes India, and the India Ocean, then it is ok, but that is not the case now and for some time.

 

[studsmart]

Please move renaming of Indian Ocean stuff to another thread, please.