Jinnah Class Frigate | Updates & Discussion

[Princeps]

this isnt as bad as you think. CAMM was originally retrofit to old british vessels. It was designed to be easy to do. You mention datalinks as an example, CAMM uses standalone datalink arrays for example. Its not going to be an super deep upgrade. In theory you'd just take the suite from yarmook or babur and adapt it to the f22p.

I was referring to HQ-16FE here

I know PN has been contemplating F22P MLU for a time now but a upgrade to the Type 054As is far away i would say

 

[Pakistan First]

Not really the same category, FM-90s short range has more to do with the fact that it is basically a 1960s system rather then it was designed as a point defense system.

There were long range SAM systems too in that era. fm90 on Zulfiqars is by all intended purposes a point defense system. / protecting the ship.

FM90s / hq7s are replaced in very earlier Type-54s with HHq10s.

 

[Princeps]

There were long range SAM systems too in that era. fm90 on Zulfiqars is by all intended purposes a point defense system. / protecting the ship.

FM90s / hq7s are replaced in very earlier Type-54s with HHq10s.

PLAN replaced the FM90s on their Type 053H3s (what Zulfuar is based on) with HHQ-10s as well during the MLU

 

[puttputt]

I actually think they might go for a OPV 2600 based class of AAW ships, the OPV hulls are very cheap which means there's way more money left for Sensors and Weapons, for example a OPV 2600 with essentially the Same loadout as a babur costs like half the pricetag (170-200mil range vs 375 mil a babur although part of that might be because of the TOT agreement)

So you could have a ship with 32 VLS cells for potentially less then $250mil.

As for JCF it ultimately depends on the PNs vision for the project which currently seems to the more Safe and cost friendly route.

Yep, that can be an option as it means a lower build cost (OPVs built on commercial specs). However, since NRDI has adopted the AS3400 design as its own IP, it has much more flexibility in how to leverage it.

Basically, NRDI/PDW can open bids for steel, propulsion, and other base inputs to the market, invite suppliers from anywhere, and secure the best possible pricing.

When working with shipbuilding OEMs only (e.g., Damen, ASFAT, etc), the challenge or potential drawback was taking on their choice of suppliers, which could stack costs.

NRDI can now cut them out and work directly with the suppliers (e.g., MTU, GE, Hanwha, Hyundai, etc). So, the cost of an NRDI-forked AS3600 might not be much higher than picking up the OPV 2600 from Damen. Of course, I am only talking about the hull, superstructure, propulsion, etc. The cost of the sensors and other electronics, munitions, etc, will stack and raise prices up regardless of whether you pick up OPV 2600 or AS3600. The key is how much lower you can bring the hull (OPV 2600 vs AS3600) so that you have more vertical budget room to play with.