Jinnah Class Frigate | Updates & Discussion

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Not expensive mindset is the key. Our focus has always been PA, PAF. Navy is always been neglected when in recent conflict gobar arya said set fire to karachi port made me so angry because they will eye this then you will wake up. Even these new procurement were thanks to China to able to protect cpec otherwise i don't think navy would be given that much. PN is slowly at least doing something like JCF thats why i don't blame navy they are doing best in given funds.

Navy's modernization began during 1999-2007 period under Musharraf's era with arrival of F22P (Sword Class) after only 1 OHP was acquired. It was realized time to upgrade the Navy , fast forward 20 years , the visual improvements are there

Fast Attack Missile Stealth Boats x 4
Babur Class Stealth Corvettes x 1 ( plus 3)
Type054 Class Frigates x 4
SWORD Class x 4
Yarmook Class x 4
OHP X 1
HANGOR x 2 (plus 6)
SULTANS
ORIONS
Submarine Hunter Choppers
AGOSTA-B Upgrade (with Turkey) (x3)

Missile Programs for Navy

• Indigenous
• Coastal Defense

Compared to 1990 we have made decent progress

The Program continues it's 30 year plan as discussed by Navy Head in past

Jinnah Class Frigate would be the next logical step, Type054 Class is Dual option should Navy wan to explore need of more Type054 Class

 

[hussain0216]

Navy's modernization began during 1999-2007 period under Musharraf's era with arrival of F22P (Sword Class) after only 1 OHP was acquired. It was realized time to upgrade the Navy , fast forward 20 years , the visual improvements are there

Fast Attack Missile Stealth Boats x 4
Babur Class Corvettes x 1 ( plus 3)
Type054 Class Frigates x 4
SWORD Class x 4
Yarmook Class x 4
OHP X 1
HANGOR x 2 (plus 6)
SULTANS
ORIONS
Submarine Hunter Choppers

Missile Programs for Navy

• Indigenous

Compared to 1990 we have made decent progress

The Program continues it's 30 year plan as discussed by Navy Head in past

Jinnah Class Frigate would be the next logical step

We need another 5-10 years to get the navy in somewhat good shape

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

At Asian Level we would register on map at conclusion of Hongor and Jinnah Program, at Regional level , we have good presence when we consider near by Nations.

Regional Level
Oman-Yamen-Iran-Kuwait-UAE-Sri Lanka-Saudi Arabia -Qatar-Madagascar


Asian Level, is more about following, mostly in Pacific Ocean side

• Indonesia (Strong Regional Presence)
• South Korea (World Level, Big presence)
• North Korea (Big Submarine Fleet)
• India (Big presence, Indian Ocean, Bangal Bay split force)
• Japan (World Level, Big presence)
• China (World Level, Big presence)

I think most people would agree that having few more (1-2) Type054, Milgem and OPV would be welcomed

 

[Bentley777]

Navy's modernization began during 1999-2007 period under Musharraf's era with arrival of F22P (Sword Class) after only 1 OHP was acquired. It was realized time to upgrade the Navy , fast forward 20 years , the visual improvements are there

Fast Attack Missile Stealth Boats x 4
Babur Class Stealth Corvettes x 1 ( plus 3)
Type054 Class Frigates x 4
SWORD Class x 4
Yarmook Class x 4
OHP X 1
HANGOR x 2 (plus 6)
SULTANS
ORIONS
Submarine Hunter Choppers
AGOSTA-B Upgrade (x3)

Missile Programs for Navy

• Indigenous
• Coastal Defense

Compared to 1990 we have made decent progress

The Program continues it's 30 year plan as discussed by Navy Head in past

Jinnah Class Frigate would be the next logical step, Type054 Class is Dual option should Navy wan to explore need of more Type054 Class

Absolutely PN did best what they can do in given funds thats why more funds should be given to them like a true naval service.

 

[Dr khan]

Not expensive mindset is the key. Our focus has always been PA, PAF. Navy is always been neglected when in recent conflict gobar arya said set fire to karachi port made me so angry because they will eye this then you will wake up. Even these new procurement were thanks to China to able to protect cpec otherwise i don't think navy would be given that much. PN is slowly at least doing something like JCF thats why i don't blame navy they are doing best in given funds.

Question is how? This isnt 1970

land base anti ship have 500+ range so do air planes with anti ship missile

As long as you can detect lovate enemy ship(air patrol) and fire cruise missiles from land air or even coverttes enemy wont dare venture closer

Ukrianians sank half of russsian fleet with nothing

 

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[RajaBaja]

Absolutely PN did best what they can do in given funds thats why more funds should be given to them like a true naval service.

The PN's time has come. 2026-2027 will see Gwadar port getting activated. Offshore Oil drilling infrastructure to start it's phase 1.

The Chinese have asked us to protect their and our trade. Or, they can come assist also. The PM has asked the Naval Chief to submit a detailed plan with current acquisition requirements.

That means we'll be inducting over next 10 years, a total fleet of over 50 combat ships including new frigates and destroyers. There will be a dedicated air arm, may be like two squadrons for PN, in addition to the PAF's support that's given to PN today.

 

[Toxic]

modern? LY80A? Cutting edge? SARH with 4 channels, capable of guiding 8 missiles in total, 2 per arc! Remember the Moskva and why it went down? A simultaneous, multi direction attack meant it could not defend itself.

Yeh, but, a single brahmos mag dump is plenty enough to completely overwhelm a 054a's defensive suite.

8 missiles inbound, 2 HQ-16s per target, its nothing but a watery grave, the 054A's do not havr the systems onboard to defend from such an attack.

OTOH, 4 YJ-12's from a single 054A is a far more "manageable" threat in the sense that its alot harder to overwhelm with such little mag depth.

Moskva went down because none of its defence systems were functional, you should read her maintenance report before she went down it's likely that the ship didn't even know it was being targeted. Neptune's are non stealthy subsonic missiles as per Ukrainian reports 2 or 3 missiles were launched against the Moskva so it was not a simultaneous multi directional attack if the Russians had actually maintained her properly she would still be floating.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

Question is how? This isnt 1970

land base anti ship have 500+ range so do air planes with anti ship missile

As long as you can detect lovate enemy ship(air patrol) and fire cruise missiles from land air or even coverttes enemy wont dare venture closer

Ukrianians sank half of russsian fleet with nothing

Land base anti-ship missiles are always LAST RESORT. Biggest drawback is that your ENEMY will know that your coastline is your EXTREME LIMIT. You cannot venture outside your coastline if all you have is land based anti-ship missiles. So they can easily strike you just outside from that limit and even take out those batteries. Warships / submarines are essential to have sea control, to safe guard your trade lines and protect your sovereignty. Its as basic as it can get.

Warships give you most essential capability to be highly mobile, go anywhere with that armament. Gives you ability to make your presence felt in the region and hence ability to influence geopolitics. Nobody respects or give a damn to any nation which has no navy.

btw, when did Ukrainians sank half russian fleet LMAO! This war is ongoing for more than 2 years. All they have done is sunk few old ships (1 cruiser (of 1970s) and 3 patrol boats). Russian Fleet has nearly 300 warships. Its not even 1% and you say HALF of the fleet LOL! Please correct yourself. Go by facts. Secondly, importance of navy can't be undermined ever. Your whole trade, economy, global standing, everything is directly linked with it.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

As long as you can detect locate enemy ship(air patrol) and fire cruise missiles from land air or even corvettes enemy wont dare venture closer

Ukrianians sank half of russsian fleet with nothing

What's EW/EA etc. for? The trick lies in blinding the enemy radars and filling their scopes with "ghost" images. The PAF has already proved that the Pak EW capability is 5 to 10 years ahead of that of Bharat....

 

[PakistaniDefender]

modern? LY80A? Cutting edge? SARH with 4 channels, capable of guiding 8 missiles in total, 2 per arc! Remember the Moskva and why it went down? A simultaneous, multi direction attack meant it could not defend itself.

Yeh, but, a single brahmos mag dump is plenty enough to completely overwhelm a 054a's defensive suite.

8 missiles inbound, 2 HQ-16s per target, its nothing but a watery grave, the 054A's do not havr the systems onboard to defend from such an attack.

OTOH, 4 YJ-12's from a single 054A is a far more "manageable" threat in the sense that its alot harder to overwhelm with such little mag depth.

That's why I am saying that we need to got for Destroyers now. Type 052Ds looks ideal

 

[Pak-Warrior]

That's why I am saying that we need to got for Destroyers now. Type 052Ds looks ideal

We are building 1 JCF ship at the moment, probably will have a follow up order of another.

How about after the first couple of ships, we build a JCF-B (second batch) with more tonnage around 4500 to 6000 tonnage. Atleast 48 SAMs and 16 Antiship/land attack missiles. The SSM VLS should have ability to fire mix of CM302s and our own land attack missiles (Fatah-4s, Baburs). Ability to make our own 5T ship which carry our own missiles would be amazing.

 

[Scorpio]

How much planned Jinnah class we have on roadmap ... Anyone's having actual info..

 

[Pak-Warrior]

How much planned Jinnah class we have on roadmap ... Anyone's having actual info..

There's no official data. I had searched a lot. However, there was one interview in PTV world, in which retired rear admiral had said about Milgem project as 4+1. 4 ships from turkey with ToT, while 1 (JCF) will be built with local design and stuff in-house.

But I think, we will have a follow up order after first JCF. Not sure how many. Maybe upto 4 or atleast 2.

 

[Scorpio]

There's no official data. I had searched a lot. However, there was one interview in PTV world, in which retired rear admiral had said about Milgem project as 4+1. 4 ships from turkey with ToT, while 1 (JCF) will be built with local design and stuff in-house.

But I think, we will have a follow up order after first JCF. Not sure how many. Maybe upto 4 or atleast 2.

If they are making is locally after ToT.. definitely in Long run .. they will have follow-up order .. might be with more enhanced version