Jinnah Class Frigate | Updates & Discussion

Just joined, 3 negative posts, post liked by Metal-1 (Your fellow Indian), just after we banned Indian trolls.

Let me guess, what is the story now, "Dad is in Navy and I am from Karachi".

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Mannnn you guessed the ocupation and city thing right...aur baat rahi mere indian hone ki toh bhai rehnede plzz....i am not an indian or even an indian posing as a pakistani....i have createdd this acc like 3 days ago maybe or even less the reason for this is beaause i used to follow this forum but didnt had an account(upar se bas news aur updates dekh leta tha)but now i have created my acc to share my thoughts and to get more wider view abou things...ik users like oscar,jamd,panzerkhil,side winder are good..i thought even you were of good behaviour but seeing you calling everyone an indian is very low of you....
also can you tell on what bases are you calling me and multiple other members indian? is it because we have a new acc or a different view point then yours?...please try to be mature and cut this crap🙏😐
 
But yeah, I think the AZB boosted setup is actually a pretty viable solution to shoot and overwhelm.

The us is also looking at a similar solution. It’s called quick sink.
 
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But yeah, I think the AZB boosted setup is actually a pretty viable solution to shoot and overwhelm.

The us is also looking at a similar solution. It’s called quick sink.

Will you please shed light on this;
Man look those are guidance kits to turn dumb bombs into glide bombs. Those glide bomb kits require higher altitudes to achieve maximum glide range, they don't have propulsion.

A typical SEAD/DEAD mission involves aggressors to fly really low between 50-100m. If you go up you die simple math formula.

Considering this if a F-16 or any jet is going to release their glide bombs how much distance they'll travel.

Yes, AZB-83 LR and AZB-81 LR will be super beneficial against Radar and SHORAD maybe LOMAD's but for a system like S-400 you need a lot of standoff.


Also quicksink is not a SOW,
 
Will you please shed light on this;
Man look those are guidance kits to turn dumb bombs into glide bombs. Those glide bomb kits require higher altitudes to achieve maximum glide range, they don't have propulsion.

A typical SEAD/DEAD mission involves aggressors to fly really low between 50-100m. If you go up you die simple math formula.

Considering this if a F-16 or any jet is going to release their glide bombs how much distance they'll travel.

Yes, AZB-83 LR and AZB-81 LR will be super beneficial against Radar and SHORAD maybe LOMAD's but for a system like S-400 you need a lot of standoff.


Also quicksink is not a SOW,
quicksink is literally JDAM optimised for anti shipping.

Azb 83 has a 250km range when powered by an engine.

It makes pretty decent sense to equip these as part of an anti shipping strike. These are effectively the lowest cost cruise missiles money can get
 
Mannnn you guessed the ocupation and city thing right...aur baat rahi mere indian hone ki toh bhai rehnede plzz....i am not an indian or even an indian posing as a pakistani....i have createdd this acc like 3 days ago maybe or even less the reason for this is beaause i used to follow this forum but didnt had an account(upar se bas news aur updates dekh leta tha)but now i have created my acc to share my thoughts and to get more wider view abou things...ik users like oscar,jamd,panzerkhil,side winder are good..i thought even you were of good behaviour but seeing you calling everyone an indian is very low of you....
also can you tell on what bases are you calling me and multiple other members indian? is it because we have a new acc or a different view point then yours?...please try to be mature and cut this crap🙏😐

See you in a few weeks under new ID Rakesh....
 
I have seen what they are saying and none of it strikes me as "Indian talk" Giving some objective analysis should be encouraged, as for account creation date look man this a public forum new people join all the time even lot of the older members were new at some point that doesn't mean they should be ganged up on.

Suite yourself yaar
 
I agree, my point of JCF-2 with more tonnage and missiles was particularly in response to the suggestions of aquiring Type-52Ds. So if there's a need for more firepower, more endurance/range, more strong presense in overseas then perhaps JCF-2 could be a better, and maybe more affordable solution then Type-52Ds. Secondly, Chinese destroyers are made for China''s requirements. Our ships can have weapons according to our own threats.

As far as submarines are concerned obviously, they are critical and the most important. That's the reason I am emphasizing on the need for submarine base. A underground base, where submarines can come and go while submerge will increase our capabilities many folds. The key thing about submarines is secrecy, Now-a-days with satellites enemy can see exact timings of our submarines that are leaving the base. They can have critical intel that how many subs are present in port / bases, so how many others could be in sea. We need a bases like these. This will have a force multiplier effect. More I explained below:

We will end up having over 50+ combat ships. Eventually, we'll have to create Destroyer based task forces, where each task force will have like 10 ships of all kinds and VLS equipped, minus the support ships.

Add a decent number of missile attack submarines with good tonnage and VLS capability, we can deter the IN during any conflict.

Hopefully, from 2027-2028 economic traction and CPEC going live, will allow us to spend on PN's much needed asset acquisition freely.

I expect a big focus on PN from 2026-2035 to meet these 50 combat ship numbers.
 
quicksink is literally JDAM optimised for anti shipping.

Azb 83 has a 250km range when powered by an engine.

It makes pretty decent sense to equip these as part of an anti shipping strike. These are effectively the lowest cost cruise missiles money can get
Quicksink is meant to take out auxiliaries and unescorted merchant ships that don't warrant expensive anti ship missiles. Or to finish off damaged and mission killed ships.
 
The USAF, please read the same link you share about quick sink. Also JDAM is a SOW now??

"Col. Matthew Caspers, head of AFRL’s munitions directorate at Eglin Air Force Base in Florida, said in a statement that the technology will ensure the U.S. can defend its interests, keep seas open, and “seize the initiative over large maritime areas.”

“QUICKSINK is an answer to an urgent need to neutralize maritime threats to freedom around the world,” Caspers said.
 
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Azb 83 has a 250km range when powered by an engine.
Usually a booster gives the bomb a kick (altitude and/or speed), then the kit’s wings do the rest as an unpowered glide. They use a short rocket/solid motor that burns briefly to loft and accelerate the weapon. Boosted glide kits almost always use the booster for the initial phase, not continuous propulsion for the whole route.

In a simple steady glide the ideal horizontal distance ≈ altitude × Lift to Drag (so higher altitude or a higher L/D gives more range).

The booster increases the munition’s total mechanical energy (potential from altitude + kinetic from speed). More initial energy → more distance available for the gliding phase. The booster’s role is typically to raise the altitude and forward speed quickly so the glide kit starts from a high-energy state.

Higher release altitude = more potential energy to convert into horizontal travel (directly increases maximum glide distance).

Air density falls with altitude: that usually reduces aerodynamic drag, which helps range. (However lower density also reduces lift at a given indicated airspeed, so the vehicle must fly at a higher true airspeed to generate the same lift.)

In practice, for a fixed vehicle and flight Mach/airspeed limits, launching higher almost always increases unpowered range — assuming guidance and structural limits are respected.

Initial speed matters, too.
Higher initial forward speed (from the booster or from being released by a fast aircraft) provides extra kinetic energy that can be traded for distance. But aerodynamic drag rises with speed, so there are trade-offs and an optimal speed/trajectory for best range.

Assumptions (for the sake of example)

The AZB-83 LR max stand-off ~250 km occurs from an optimal high-altitude release (think ~10 km) plus the kit’s short booster and a decent wing (assume L/D ≈ 12).

A quick back-of-the-envelope model for range is:

> Range ≈ (L/D) × (effective height), where
effective height = release altitude + “equivalent altitude” added by the booster’s speed/loft.

Calibrating this model to hit 250 km at a 10 km release implies the booster contributes an “equivalent” ~10.8 km of height.

Worked examples:

1) Very low release: 100 m AGL (0.1 km)

Effective height ≈ 10.8 + 0.1 = 10.9 km

Range ≈ 12 × 10.9 ≈ ~131 km


(At 50 m AGL it’s ~130 km—basically the same, because most of the range here is coming from the booster’s added energy, not the tiny altitude.)

2) Moderate release: 1,000 m AGL (1.0 km)

Effective height ≈ 10.8 + 1.0 = 11.8 km

Range ≈ 12 × 11.8 ≈ ~142 km


Why the jump to 250 km at high altitude?

From ~10 km release, effective height ≈ 10.8 + 10 = 20.8 km → 12 × 20.8 ≈ ~250 km.
Higher altitude gives:

More potential energy to trade for distance,

Thinner air (less drag) during the early, long-range part of the glide,


If a boosted glide kit reaches ~250 km in ideal high-altitude conditions, the same kit released near the deck (50–100 m) might only manage ~130 km, and from 1,000 m roughly ~140 km, all else equal.

Real outcomes vary with winds, temperature, exact L/D, guidance/structural limits, and how the booster is flown.
These numbers are illustrative, not operational figures.

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IMHO PN is looking at their major surface combatants as land strike components and area denial elements with air cover and with limited PDMS for their protection.

The ASW will be covered by their LRMP's and Sea kings (Approaches to major ports i.e littoral area) that have proven to be very effective.

The strike weapon against major surface incursion would be the sub force vectored by Chinese Satellite that keep a close eye on the wider Hormuz Straits and approaches to it.

Now if the above war planning is correct than whatever PN is doing makes sense. PN is investing in LR Strike missiles that can work both for SSM and Land strike. Beefing up their sub fleet and building up the LRMP domain.

However, I still think the PDMS is the chink in the armor. It needs a serious beefing up.
 
IMHO PN is looking at their major surface combatants as land strike components and area denial elements with air cover and with limited PDMS for their protection.

The ASW will be covered by their LRMP's and Sea kings (Approaches to major ports i.e littoral area) that have proven to be very effective.

The strike weapon against major surface incursion would be the sub force vectored by Chinese Satellite that keep a close eye on the wider Hormuz Straits and approaches to it.

Now if the above war planning is correct than whatever PN is doing makes sense. PN is investing in LR Strike missiles that can work both for SSM and Land strike. Beefing up their sub fleet and building up the LRMP domain.

However, I still think the PDMS is the chink in the armor. It needs a serious beefing up.
With fast induction of first 4 Hangors and upgrades to existing Agostas, that'll be 5-6 submarines available at any time.....enough to keep major IN vessels away from coast line. Need to protect Karachi at all costs, which means PAF will need a dedicated maritime strike force, Mirage from Masroor AB won't cut it......and of course Medium to long range AD
 

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