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All we NEED is Saudi funding and Turkish technology. With those we will be fine. In return we can offer Saudi Arabia and Turkey our nuclear umbrella and provide our weapons, logistics and military support to defend them if their sovereignty or existence is threatened.

For those of you who complain about the Mekkah agreement, WHAT is the alternative? Are you happy for Pakistanis, Turks and Saudi Arabians to end up like the Palestinians in Gaza? WHAT is it you want? You HAVE to do something. SOMETHING is better than NOTHING. IF you don't believe me then please go and talk to the Palestinians in Gaza.
They said Turks will end up like Palestinians if we remove the Greeks from Cyprus and take half of it..
They said we would all be bombed to pieces by the Christian world if we touched Armenia.
In the end, nothing happens, and we keep prospering.

Unlike others, we do not fear Christians and white world. We don't care. We will continue to do whats in our best interest.

Sharing tech with Pakistan is fine if in return they share Nukes(just hypothetical). But what do we gain from Saudi Arabians?
Ask anyone in a room most would rather have tech than money. So, what exactly they bring? Money alone isn't enough when Turkiye is doing relatively fine in that aspect too.
And I'd rather have nukes over money also.
 
turkey has no experience in wars and will probably get its ass kicked by houthis..
Said the guy whose army got repeatedly flattened by a country several times smaller than itself… and then spent the next decades building factories and desert cities instead of winning wars. Turns out the one thing your army truly excels at is destroying everything it touches (except the enemy, apparently).

You keep talking as if you speak for your country, constantly saying “we didn’t join because of this and that.” You didn’t join because your country is run by a bunch of clowns who have no idea what they’re doing. Even when relations were bad, Türkiye was passing through the Suez as it pleased and your “regional power” didn’t even make a sound.

Maybe look at operational history of the army you claim “has no experience.” Then you might finally understand what a real military looks like.
 
Calling Indians stupid when their one treaty actually delivered is a strange take..... The Indo-Soviet Treaty of August 71 was a de facto alliance, it kept China out, gave them Soviet vetoes at the UN and covered their invasion, that did more for them than two decades of our SEATO CENTO membership combined.....


And we also had the 1959 bilateral agreement with America, ironically signed in Ankara, Turkey of all places, US promising "appropriate action, including the use of armed forces" in case of aggression against Pakistan..... When Yahya invoked it in December 1971, the State Department argued no binding obligation existed since the action was "as may be mutually agreed upon" ..... the escape hatches in such agreements i was referring to in my earlier post...

And then we had Kennedy's written assurance to Ayub in 1962, that's what Pindi banked on..... In Nov 62, US Ambassador Walter McConaughy handed Ayub a formal aide memoire assuring that the United States would "come to Pakistan's assistance in the event of aggression from India against Pakistan." Explicit, written, and naming India ..... not the Soviets, not China.

Funny part is Nixon actually tilted our way in 71, sent the "Enterprise" into the Bay of Bengal, just to appear to be helping, and it understandably changed nothing on the ground.... And then the US insisted on working under the same bilateral agreement in 1979, to which we complied.....


So spare us the betrayal semantics trying to defend the US, the lesson stands, paper pacts don't fight wars, nations do.....

Not sure why you are comparing 1960 & 70s pacts with todays changed geo political scenario.
Mind you no one came to India's support during ops sindoor even though as per their narrative india was the victim.
 
Prime Minister of Pakistan "Shehbaz Sharif":The Mecca Agreement for Joint Defense aims first and foremost to achieve peace for all Islamic countries.

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Not sure why you are comparing 1960 & 70s pacts with todays changed geo political scenario.
Mind you no one came to India's support during ops sindoor even though as per their narrative india was the victim.


The scenery changes, the fine print doesn't..... Defence pacts triggered automatically exactly once in history, in 1914, and they dragged the whole planet into a world war over one assassination........ Ever since, every pact is written with escape hatches precisely so that never happens again, which is why they are seldom acted upon.....

For recent examples if 1960s and 70s is too old for you:

Ask Ukraine about the Budapest Memorandum.....
Ask Armenia about CSTO in 2023
Ask Qatar which hosts the biggest US base in the region and still got bombed twice with zero response.....

This very pact exists because the American umbrella over the Gulf visibly failed.....

And your Sindoor point proves my argument, not yours...... India has no defence pact with anyone, nobody came, they fought alone, so did we, and we held our own..... That's literally my point, every nation fights its own wars. Thanks for the supporting example....
 
They said Turks will end up like Palestinians if we remove the Greeks from Cyprus and take half of it..
They said we would all be bombed to pieces by the Christian world if we touched Armenia.
In the end, nothing happens, and we keep prospering.

Unlike others, we do not fear Christians and white world. We don't care. We will continue to do whats in our best interest.

Sharing tech with Pakistan is fine if in return they share Nukes(just hypothetical). But what do we gain from Saudi Arabians?
Ask anyone in a room most would rather have tech than money. So, what exactly they bring? Money alone isn't enough when Turkiye is doing relatively fine in that aspect too.
And I'd rather have nukes over money also.
Nukes leave signatures after use which is why they are never sold. If country A sells nukes to country B and country B uses it. Country A will get nuked in return as well as country B. Thats just how the nuke game is currently at. This is why no one risks selling nukes to anyone.
 
Yes, Turkiye's NATO membership will obviously act as a limit on how much intrgration can actually happen, but Saudi has mostly US/NATO standard kit so that should not be a problem. Main issue is PAF's Chinese set up
Well.. Pakistan has a US set up too.. Link 16 for its Thunder and they have already found a way of integrating the Chinese systems into their own..
 
They said Turks will end up like Palestinians if we remove the Greeks from Cyprus and take half of it..
They said we would all be bombed to pieces by the Christian world if we touched Armenia.
In the end, nothing happens, and we keep prospering.

Unlike others, we do not fear Christians and white world. We don't care. We will continue to do whats in our best interest.

Sharing tech with Pakistan is fine if in return they share Nukes(just hypothetical). But what do we gain from Saudi Arabians?
Ask anyone in a room most would rather have tech than money. So, what exactly they bring? Money alone isn't enough when Turkiye is doing relatively fine in that aspect too.
And I'd rather have nukes over money also.
The Petro-Dollar my friend..The Petro-Dollar.. go read about it..
 

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