Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Desert]

Let's make a quick decision within 24 hours - don't wait too long and studying too long - you must do better Egypt!

You are either IN or OUT ?!

Out ..

 

[RocketLaw]

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[maxpane]

so what calibre Pakistan Turkiye and Ksa armed forces are using and what about artillery? is there commonality or not

 

[Sinan]

so what calibre Pakistan Turkiye and Ksa armed forces are using and what about artillery? is there commonality or not

Capability	Türkiye	Pakistan	Saudi Arabia
Main artillery calibre	155 mm	155 mm	155 mm
Main SP artillery	Fırtına	M109 / SH-15	M109 / CAESAR
Lightweight artillery	105 mm BORAN	105 mm	105 mm
Legacy artillery	155/203 mm	122/130/203 mm	105/155 mm
Rocket artillery	122/230/300 mm	122/300 mm	180/220 mm etc.
MLRS ecosystem	Mostly indigenous	Chinese/indigenous	Mixed US/Chinese/other
Ammunition industry	Very strong	Strong	Developing/localizing
NATO ammunition compatibility	Excellent	Good	Excellent

Pakistan is the outlier because it still retains a substantial Chinese/Soviet-derived artillery legacy — 122 mm, 130 mm and 203 mm systems alongside its 155-mm NATO equipment.

 

[maxpane]

Capability	Türkiye	Pakistan	Saudi Arabia
Main artillery calibre	155 mm	155 mm	155 mm
Main SP artillery	Fırtına	M109 / SH-15	M109 / CAESAR
Lightweight artillery	105 mm BORAN	105 mm	105 mm
Legacy artillery	155/203 mm	122/130/203 mm	105/155 mm
Rocket artillery	122/230/300 mm	122/300 mm	180/220 mm etc.
MLRS ecosystem	Mostly indigenous	Chinese/indigenous	Mixed US/Chinese/other
Ammunition industry	Very strong	Strong	Developing/localizing
NATO ammunition compatibility	Excellent	Good	Excellent

Pakistan is the outlier because it still retains a substantial Chinese/Soviet-derived artillery legacy — 122 mm, 130 mm and 203 mm systems alongside its 155-mm NATO equipment.

thank a lot i was thinking about interoperbility and shell production in case of war etc

 

[RocketLaw]

Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan issued a stern warning to Israel:

"Israel's failure to take any steps regarding a ceasefire in Gaza could push us toward taking a radical step.

Turkey, Qatar, and Egypt will be forced to take radical steps on this matter."

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Turkey, Qatar, and Egypt will be forced to take radical steps on this matter.

How it works?

Qatar and Zionist Egypt are not reliable

 

[maxpane]

Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan issued a stern warning to Israel:

"Israel's failure to take any steps regarding a ceasefire in Gaza could push us toward taking a radical step.

Turkey, Qatar, and Egypt will be forced to take radical steps on this matter."

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Turkey, Qatar, and Egypt will be forced to take radical steps on this matter.

How it works?

Qatar and Zionist Egypt are not reliable

if he is saying that then it means he knows something that public dnt have a clue

 

[Master Chief]

Turkey, Qatar, and Egypt will be forced to take radical steps on this matter.

How it works?

Qatar and Zionist Egypt are not reliable

We have to understand what has changed, the lead is to be taken by Turkiye and Pakistan. If that lead is taken, the ONLY nation that could ever have objected, and have their objection heeded by other regional nations, is KSA. Now that KSA is part of the alliance, much of what Turkiye or Pakistan say regarding defence and geopolitics will already have the tacit approval of KSA as it would likely have been consulted with them beforehand.

This paradigm is a stark contrast to attempts at regional bloc formation in the past (by Imran Khan and Muhammad Morsi, as the two main examples I can think of), whose efforts were somewhat defiant in nature.

KSA, for better or for worse, brings the optics of legitimacy.

That is why Israel will take these statements seriously, whereas the previous efforts were brushed away with disdain.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Actually saudis and gcc financed the coup and they had the bigger role in it.

I personally just see the QCC as an extension of zionism, but yes the saudis did help finance it because they fear that the Muslim brotherhood is a danger to their own throne.

The saudis have also been responsible for financing many things that harmed Muslims and took many a position against Turkiye in the past.

However i think the logic for Turkiye is like the saying "

I'd rather have people inside my tent pissing out than outside my tent pissing in."​

I think from a Turkish perspective, to limit the positions the saudis take against the Turks, its best to bring them into the tent. Their still going to saudi things, however having them inside will limit what they do and also give Turkiye a better hand at influencing them towards something positive.

 

[Ravenman]

The Pact shoulf not only being militairy but also economicly.

Railways, highways, student interchange, visafree travel, cybersecurity, cultural manifestations etc

This will pledge the alliance more and more into a strong iron fist.

 

[Pakistan First]

Capability	Türkiye	Pakistan	Saudi Arabia
Main artillery calibre	155 mm	155 mm	155 mm
Main SP artillery	Fırtına	M109 / SH-15	M109 / CAESAR
Lightweight artillery	105 mm BORAN	105 mm	105 mm
Legacy artillery	155/203 mm	122/130/203 mm	105/155 mm
Rocket artillery	122/230/300 mm	122/300 mm	180/220 mm etc.
MLRS ecosystem	Mostly indigenous	Chinese/indigenous	Mixed US/Chinese/other
Ammunition industry	Very strong	Strong	Developing/localizing
NATO ammunition compatibility	Excellent	Good	Excellent

Pakistan is the outlier because it still retains a substantial Chinese/Soviet-derived artillery legacy — 122 mm, 130 mm and 203 mm systems alongside its 155-mm NATO equipment.

Ammunition industry of Pakistan including artillery ammo is very strong. At production scale it is definitely ahead of Turkey. POF produces and exports 155mm, 130mm, 122mm etc including other artillery equipment to over 40 countries. Pakistan army itself has a huge requirements being a large force.

 

[Sinan]

thank a lot i was thinking about interoperbility and shell production in case of war etc

I'm no expert but i think 3 countries being US allies, also Turkey using NATO standarts, will make things easier on the interoperbility.

But there problems to be solved on the datalink front . However, Turkey is experienced in this front.

 

[Sinan]

The Pact shoulf not only being militairy but also economicly.

Railways, highways, student interchange, visafree travel, cybersecurity, cultural manifestations etc

This will pledge the alliance more and more into a strong iron fist.

Hakan Fidan talked on this.

He basically says, countries in the region first need to solve their security, after solving their security issue, wealth generation comes next. Forming of NATO followed by establishment of EU is a great example.

 

[Sinan]

Ammunition industry of Pakistan including artillery ammo is very strong. At production scale it is definitely ahead of Turkey. POF produces and exports 155mm, 130mm, 122mm etc including other artillery equipment to over 40 countries. Pakistan army itself has a huge requirements being a large force.

I'm greatly using AI on comparisons since i'm not much knowledgeable on Pakistan's defense industry. I assume the same for most of the Pakistani users.

So, i want AI to detail the "Ammunition Industry" and show me it's comparison method.

It come up with this.

	Türkiye	Pakistan
Small arms ammunition	Very strong	Very strong
Legacy artillery ammunition production	Very strong	Very strong
155 mm production	Very strong & rapidly expanding	Very strong
122/130 mm legacy ammunition	Moderate	Very strong
Modern/advanced ammunition	Very strong	Strong
Export base	Very strong	Very strong
Number of ammunition producers	More diversified	More concentrated around POF
Recent capacity expansion	Very high	High
Overall ammunition industry	Very strong	Very strong

Basically it says, in the last 5 years Türkiye made a significant jump in ammunition industry.

It also says POF making exports to +40 countries is not a measure by itself, since Turkey's MKEK making exports to +100 countries.

So, they are basically head to head with a slight advantage on the Turkish side since Turkey made a huge capacity expansion in the last 5 years.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Hakan Fidan talked on this.

He basically says, countries in the region first need to solve their security, after solving their security issue, wealth generation comes next. Forming of NATO followed by establishment of EU is a great example.

Europe has old banking families that control the global financial order. It can never be replicated.

Brown countries are in competition with each other for their market, it's been designed that way.

This only solves the security aspect as long as none of these countries experience unexpected regime changes. India and Israel have been attacking the fringes of the Muslim world. Countries like Syria and Pakistan have been most affected.

Best case scenario this restores order and gives them space to rebuild their economies and societies.