Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Aryan_B]

its difficult to get rid of corruption in Pakistan as PMLN, PPP and our Army generals are all to some extent involved in corrupt practices

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

This former uae presidential aide is right about the poverty, illiteracy, instability, poor economic and political performance by Pakistan. There is NO doubt about that. Had he left it at that then no-one would be able to argue with him. However, he has shot himself in the foot and made uae look weak, dumb and impotent when he mentioned Pakistan's nuclear weapons.................................................Firstly, the 170 nuclear bombs he mentioned that Pakistan has is the figure based on 2017/2018 estimates. NOBODY actually knows the TRUE number of nuclear weapons Pakistan has RIGHT NOW. Some estimates have gone even as far as to say Pakistan may have around 300 nuclear warheads as of 2026. Despite Pakistan's poverty, illiteracy and other problems, Pakistan has emerged as a significant nuclear weapons state, something that the uae HAS NOT and CAN NEVER be able to do THEMSELVES despite all the wealth, economic success and high literacy rate they have. The emiratis will NEVER be able to develop nuclear weapons themselves as they DO NOT have it in them to do so. The ONLY way the emiratis can HAVE nuclear weapons is if america, russia, israel or China develop it for them. The emiratis could NEVER do it themselves.

PS What these emiratis don't realize is that IF Pakistan didn't have nuclear weapons then the situation of Pakistani people will be worst than that of the Palestinians in Gaza so NO AMOUNT of poverty, illiteracy, poor economic and political performance is going to stop Pakistan from having and continuing to develop and advance our nuclear weapons program.

The UAE knows Pak's potential too well. Hence, they actively finance and support terrorism inside Pakistan. They are the grandkids of Abu Lahab...

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

"Finally"

USA the big daddy pushed for this.

 

[The SC]

 

[RocketLaw]

What are Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Pakistan’s joint military capabilities?

The Mecca defence pact combines a top oil exporter, NATO's second-largest army and the only Muslim nuclear arsenal.

www.aljazeera.com

• Manpower: Combined, the three countries include about 1.4 million active personnel, backed by large paramilitary and reserve forces. Pakistan provides the largest pool of active personnel at 660,000, followed by Turkiye at 481,000 and Saudi Arabia at 247,000.
• Air power: Together they operate 3,415 military aircraft including fighter jets, helicopters, transporters and training military aircraft. Pakistan possesses some 1,397 aircraft, followed by Turkiye at 1,101 and Saudi Arabia with 917.
• Land forces: The three countries field some 6,046 tanks and more than 179,000 armoured vehicles, alongside thousands of artillery systems and multiple-launch rocket systems. Pakistan has the highest number of tanks at 2,677, Turkiye has 2,284 and Saudi Arabia, 1,085.
• Naval power: Their combined fleets include 344 naval assets, including 33 frigates, 24 corvettes and 22 submarines. Turkiye comes out top here with 192 naval assets, followed by Pakistan’s 120 and Saudi Arabia’s 32.
• Defence spending: Their combined defence budgets amount to about $124.4bn annually. Saudi Arabia has the largest military budget of the three at $63.9bn in 2026, while Turkiye set aside $51.4bn and Pakistan $9.1bn according to Global Firepower.

Pakistan-made surface-to-surface missiles Fatah-I and launcher are displayed during a military parade to mark Pakistan National Day in Islamabad, Pakistan, on March 23, 2024

Turkish navy vessels navigate the Bosphorus in a parade to mark the 486th anniversary of the Naval victory of Preveza and Naval Forces Day on September 27, 2024, in Istanbul, Turkiye

 

[lightning f57]

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"Finally"

USA the big daddy pushed for this.

Big daddy wants to retreat from the region and pivot to the Pacific but oil addiction is hard to let go.

 

[retaxis]

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Indians sweating right now about this tweet

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The West, Israil, Bharat & the UAE have been in a de facto alliance against the Muslim countries. This alliance is the first step in countering it. And, it's the only change. And, the beauty of the Misak-i Mekka lies there.....

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Filthy UAE Zionist

Best comments:
Your confession that she possesses 170 nuclear bombs is enough; just one is sufficient to wipe you out and erase your history from the map. Therefore, you must offer her a thousand apologies, and a thousand salutes. If she were opportunistic, she wouldn't be a poor country as you claim, but rather would have exploited her power to impose her hegemony on you and others, just as some nuclear states do, making you pay them tribute while you remain submissive.

Other comments:
- Anyone who betrays and collaborates with the Zionists will never find security.

- It seems that the Mecca Agreement syndrome has left you dizzy.

- I don't know why, oh Abdul Khaliq, you keep sticking your noses in and shoving your noses into the affairs and issues of Islamic countries, thinking that you're, for example, higher in integrity, social justice, development, and sophistication... I'm telling you, my brother, may God have mercy on the one who knew his own worth and the level of his size.

These "fishing villages" on the gulf were administered by the Ottoman NCOs! Even at their worst times during the Brirish Raj, the Muslims in the subcontinent were under a Viceroy, the most coveted appointment after the premiership in the entire British Empire.....

When the Haremain is facing a direct threat from the Grater Israil, like the way the then Hasimite leadership during an expedition from Abraha of Yemen, the KSA leadership has receeded and asked for the modern-day "Ababeels" (aka Cresents and Stars) to take care of these menace by HIS PERMISSION....

 

[HAIDER]

if this coalition do something to Israeli occupation in Lebanon, Syria and Gaza and now West Bank or they are focus somewhere else......

 

[Cookie Monster]

A couple projects that these 3 countries can start on right away...

- Air to air missiles JV
Turkey has already developed Gokdogan and Bozdogan. Pakistan has some experience with it ..FAAZ and FAAZ II. The three countries should develop next gen air to air missiles together. All 3 would own IP and be able to manufacture it. So if in conflict..one country's manufacturing capacity is hit..the other two countries will be too far out and manufacturing will continue. All 3 would also be able to rely on each other's stocks.

- Drones JV
In this regard, there's no need to reinvent the wheel. Turkey and Pakistan already have developed plenty of drones. The 3 countries should just buy from each other(the type of drones.. depending on the need).
The focus here should be on two things. One is to standardize the drones...so efforts aren't wasted by multiple countries developing multiple drones for the same need..competing with each other. Instead Turkey can for example focus on high end drones like it already has been. Pakistan can develop the low end(meant to be cheap and expendable to exhaust enemy defenses) and the interceptor drones(like the ones Ukraine has developed)...and of course the 3 countries should buy from each other in this regard as well.
The second thing to focus on in this aspect is to have commonality of parts. Develop engines together or allow each other to use the engines for drones as well as other avionics and sensors. This would bring the cost further down due to mass production.

- Common munitions and missiles
From recent wars it has become increasingly obvious that large inventories are required to sustain a war effort. We saw how western countries were struggling to provide Ukraine with artillery shells, US running low on tomahawk missiles and interceptors..etc.
In this regard both Turkey and Pakistan already have tomahawk equivalents...yes keep those stocks and stuff...but the 3 countries should have a JV(so all 3 can start building and using that next) of a next gen type of tomahawk owning IP and having manufacturing capacity in each country. It doesn't even have to be one cruise missile. It could be a family of them...
...various varieties built with same(or commonality) components. One could be just a standard cruise missile with range exceeding 1500Km. One could be a higher end hypersonic speed..and one could be lower end...on the cheaper side(almost blurring the lines between one way attack drones and this missile) that's meant to be deployed in mass numbers.

Bigger projects to be done together would be KAAN, MILDEN, etc. but the above is cheap enough to get started on now.

Panzerkiel
Would love to hear ur feedback on this

 

[MootPoint]

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Interesting spin by Trump to frame this as some sort of US victory. No doubt this statement is geared towards the domestic audience and disgruntled elements within the US security establishment. Trump has an eye on the midterms. Another clue is Vance trying to distance himself from the decision making leading up to the US's current predicament, and even tap into the anti-AIPAC sentiment being championed by folks like Marjorie Greene on the right (unheard of in the post-Nixon era of US politics).

However, objectively speaking this represents a strategic defeat for the US. If there is one region in the world that is purely zero sum, it is the Middle East. You do not cede strategic space here, except through coercion. And ceding space to a trio of middle powers would be unthinkable just a decade ago. Basically, this is tantamount to the US admitting that it is no longer the sole power broker in the region. No great power would take such a step unless compelled to do so - US is clearly in damage control mode.

The other major implication is that the GCC countries have finally understood that the world is multi-polar now. The illusion of US military dominance as well as political acumen in managing the ME crises has taken a major hit. US is also showing its limits under pressure in Europe and even in the Korean theatre. You might even see attempts at North/South Korea reproachment (followed by Trump taking the credit lol). A Turkey-Saudi agreement was already under consideration for last few years, but the bombing of Qatar by Israel was a wakeup call which injected some urgency. The structure in place now represents a belated recognition of the ground reality. If the US is unable to deliver on its security commitments and can easily be manipulated by Israel at the expense of GCC security, then it is effectively creating a strategic vacuum which will be filled by other great powers. This is also China's moment to say 'we told you so'.

Pakistan is China's not-so-secret trojan horse to enter into the lucrative military hardware market in the region, as well as to hedge against its energy risks (because US had hoped to foment a civil war in Iran & create serious supply interruptions for China). Russia has been busy playing its cards as well. My belief is that the Russians have been intentionally goading Iran to prolong the conflict to reduce the interceptor supply of the US - i.e. less interceptors for Ukraine. It also wanted oil prices to remain high in order to build the war chest for one last major offensive in Ukraine. Net-net GCC leaders have (belatedly) realized the game is too complex to put all your eggs in the US basket.

 

[GoatsMilk]

Interesting spin by Trump to frame this as some sort of US victory. No doubt this statement is geared towards the domestic audience and disgruntled elements within the US security establishment. Trump has an eye on the midterms. Another clue is Vance trying to distance himself from the decision making leading up to the US's current predicament, and even tap into the anti-AIPAC sentiment being championed by folks like Marjorie Greene on the right (unheard of in the post-Nixon era of US politics).

However, objectively speaking this represents a strategic defeat for the US. If there is one region in the world that is purely zero sum, it is the Middle East. You do not cede strategic space here, except through coercion. And ceding space to a trio of middle powers would be unthinkable just a decade ago. Basically, this is tantamount to the US admitting that it is no longer the sole power broker in the region. No great power would take such a step unless compelled to do so - US is clearly in damage control mode.

The other major implication is that the GCC countries have finally understood that the world is multi-polar now. The illusion of US military dominance as well as political acumen in managing the ME crises has taken a major hit. US is also showing its limits under pressure in Europe and even in the Korean theatre. You might even see attempts at North/South Korea reproachment (followed by Trump taking the credit lol). A Turkey-Saudi agreement was already under consideration for last few years, but the bombing of Qatar by Israel was a wakeup call which injected some urgency. The structure in place now represents a belated recognition of the ground reality. If the US is unable to deliver on its security commitments and can easily be manipulated by Israel at the expense of GCC security, then it is effectively creating a strategic vacuum which will be filled by other great powers. This is also China's moment to say 'we told you so'.

Pakistan is China's not-so-secret trojan horse to enter into the lucrative military hardware market in the region, as well as to hedge against its energy risks (because US had hoped to foment a civil war in Iran & create serious supply interruptions for China). Russia has been busy playing its cards as well. My belief is that the Russians have been intentionally goading Iran to prolong the conflict to reduce the interceptor supply of the US - i.e. less interceptors for Ukraine. It also wanted oil prices to remain high in order to build the war chest for one last major offensive in Ukraine. Net-net GCC leaders have (belatedly) realized the game is too complex to put all your eggs in the US basket.

The USA on various occasions threatened Turkiye with war should we have entered syria, it happened under Obama and it happened under Trump. There was one instance when Turkiye wanted to enter syria and erdogan had a call with Obama about.

This was the image the americans released with the title "on the phone with erdogan" who the media made us believe Obama was close friends with erdogan.

When Turkiye finally did first enter Syria we saw both Russia and the USA armies co-ordinate their militaries to cut the Turkish advance off from both sides.

As the war progressed we would see this game of one handing positions to the other to spite Turkiye. For example when Turkiye wanted to enter the east of the river, the americans threatened war, their generals came out saying that Turkish military assets would become legitimate targets should we hit their kurdish pkk terrorist proxy. Trump sent a letter to erdogan warning him not to intervene.

Erdogan it was claimed famously threw the letter in the trash can and sent the Turkish army in. The americans decided they didnt want to actually confront the Turkish military but instead handed over the PKK/YPG positions over to Russian control. So the USA supported an affilated terrorist organisation in which they and the EU recognise as such against a NATO ally and would even work with Russia against said NATO ally.

Now i could point out a hundred such incidents in which the americans/zionists tried to harm Turkiye just over Syria, the point being that if they were threatening war against Turkiye to not intervene in Syria, there is no way in f'king hell Trump/zionists are happy about the mecca pact.

And as everyone knows, the Turkish backed side ended up winning in Syria irrespective of american and russian threats, irrespective that on many occasions they worked together to curtail Turkiye.

One last thing i want to add, if "truly" americans were planning to leave the middle they would have never threatened war against NATO ally Turkiye over some dirty marxist terrorists that no one in the region likes.

This mecca pact is a disaster for zionism. Turkiye is next they claimed. Truthfully most power blocs on earth will not like seeing Muslims come together.

 

[Yasser76]

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Amazing. Both China and the US have officially welcomed the Defence Pact.

 

[SD 10]

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"Finally"

USA the big daddy pushed for this.

you thought we would do anything without uncle sam1s approval, or the saudis will or the turks?

we sunnis have failed miserably, our leaders are coward and soldouts!