Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Terrorism Watch

[Starlord]

Turkish military ops against PKK were extremely co-ordinated & brutal and with strong fusion from a centralised political elite and legislative planning.

I don't ever see Pakistani military gernails having the balls or brains to do either, especially considering how divided the country is to actually get literally anything done

Also Pakistan has soft spot for Terrorists, we have plenty on PDF who will give all kinds of justifications for BLA/TTP actions from lack to development, to Govt corruption, fitna hidustan to old Zia policies etc

 

[Tariq Habib Afridi]

now the rant is made lets agree on solution.
forget worry about Public image from that segment of Public that considers TTP as their angry brothers and reposts their videos on social media because their favorite general failed (instead of Faized).

Instead, Pakistani military must bring in Turkish and Saudi advisors who teach them how to dispose off the TTP and their supporters. if that is done then we will hear TTP announcing disarming and surrendering like the terrorists did after giving up their armed conflict with Turkish state..

Saudi are weak but I agree with Turkey.

That course at Kakul needs to be modernised in co-ordination with inputs from Turkey's style, throw in some mandatory historical & political reading of the Turkish state too, might help us out in the long run since these folks decide to play politics anyway

A good reading on Turkish history and post state independence as well as China's CCP

Why going to saudi and turkey? I will give you a better option a local one. gave full power to an army officer who belongs to FATA and understand their culture with the sole purpose to bring a complete peace there. he will do it very easily. and there are many officers from FATA.. afridi, wazir etc whose roots are from FATA

 

[gamaji]

Why going to saudi and turkey? I will give you a better option a local one. gave full power to an army officer who belongs to FATA and understand their culture with the sole purpose to bring a complete peace there. he will do it very easily. and there are many officers from FATA.. afridi, wazir etc whose roots are from FATA

I thing Irfan Baloch has a point. While Turks have a wealth of experience in successfully dealing with terrorist groups by using the least technology, I think, getting Saudis actively onboard in this fight against TTP has a different value.

It's a fact that any military operation within the country causes serious grievances among domestic population. Indian slumdogs and now Zionist war criminals have already been exposed for exploiting the feelings of our own grieved people and also buying the cheap Afghans for waging a terrorism war against a 'kafir' Pak military. Merely the use of force creates more grievances and so more fertile areas for the enemy to recruit even more youth for terrorism.

While eliminating the TTP terrorists must be the goal but minimizing the number of those who can fall prey to terrorism recruiters is an equally important goal. This vicious cycle can only be broken by an effective counter narrative. That's where maybe a token but very visible Saudi involvement in fighting against the TTP terrorists will be useful.

 

[Trigger]

After the 8 days of negotiations between the tribal elders and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), and the involvement of the provincial government, the final result is what should have happened to begin with - kinetic military operation.

From 11 am today (Monday), a curfew will be imposed in 27 areas of Bajaur and Mohmand Agencies. The challenge for the Pakistani security forces will the potential infiltration of additional TTP fighter from Kunar and Nangarhar provinces in Afghanistan, where the number of TTP fighters and camps could be leveraged.

The TTP has also proven to be deadly, whether to civilians or security forces, with drone technology, which is used to drop mortars on various locations.

The people of Bajaur and Mohmand have been asked to do the following:

1 - leave the area for the next 2-3 days
2 - if you cannot leave the area, shelter in place and keep your movement outside the home to a bare minimum

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good. if the backward tribals are not helping the armed forces eradicate terrorist than they should also be locked up. chinese had the right idea with the uyghurs

 

[Uzair Khan]

Here we go the not so distant history repeating itself, didn't we cleared Bajaur a Gazillion times before? TTP knows that Tribals are violent and stupid people, 2 rupee ka Islam ka warrior Churan bechen gay aur Terrorism spread karen gay, while TTP funding comes from mainly Hindu Idol worshipers, The issue is not Islam or radicalization that happen during ZIA times, the problem is ethnic racism which has deep roots in Baloch and Pushtoon Tribal culture, our region/ethnic/tribe over Pakistan, these people never and will never completely assimilate in the Idea of Pakistan because they are still living in their barbaric Tribal system, there are a lot of Tribal people in the world, next door we have Tribal Indians, although they fight under Naxal's flag but majority of them were peaceful farmers who picked up arms against India and now they are vanishing faster than IAF chief's brain cells, New ZeaLand, America , Australia and many other countries have Tribal people and most of them progress and also become patriotic towards there countries putting their Tribal identity back but here in Pakistan that never happen, Pushtoon/Baloch not only stick to their stupid system but they never started the conversation how the Tribal people can progress towards been civilized. Jahil/Violent the, Jahil/Violent hain aur Jahil/Violent rahen gay. Army will start operation, save the Tribals (Again) give them some peace to work, build their areas, work peacefully but nope they will keep supporting TTP, giving them their daughters in marriage, give them shelter, hide them from intelligence agencies, provide them weapons, cars to move around, but if you call these people out for doing the same thing for 2-3 decades they will just either call you racist or blame old bad strategies of Pakistani politicians and dictators, which I call BS. Zia policy was in late 80's which spill over into the 90's, but even now the world is moving towards advancements these people just blame others, past, for their violent actions and chutiyape but never never never will take responsibility and look in their own banyaan to rehabilitate their societies, same churan, same majan, different generation.

This has happened a lot of times that i will be seeing Intelligent Debate and discussion and then i see this guy. This is not as simple as it looks to you to blame a group,exterminate and move forward. The problem is guys like u dont live in Pakistan and hence arent aware of ground realities and dont even try to educate themselves. There is a serious problem of some people providing shelter and support to TTP but the majority of people from KP think that TTP is created by the armed forces themselves even in Districts like Mardan Charsadda Peshawar Swabi Swat which have been completely assimilated into Pakistani society and there is no ttp. If literally the army conducts an operation eliminates TTP and then in 2022 imran khan and establishment allow them to resettle against the wishes of most of the people, and then 3 years later terrorism again rises and people are asked to evacuated again, what would have u thought if you were in this positon? wouldnt you think all this is a drama and this is just to oppress Pashtuns? this is the thinking of most of the people in Bajaur Swat region and i am sure if you had been born in their shoes u would have adopted the same mindset

 

[KingQamaR]

Some. Very ignorant comments by some people. Judge individuals by their actions, not by their ethnicity. Labelling an entire ethnic group as terrorists' because of the actions of a few is not only unjust — it's exactly the kind of ignorance that fuels hate and conflict. Pashtuns, like all people, are diverse:. And kindly stop with this casual racism quite blatant on show here.

 

[S.Y.A]

don't ever see Pakistani military gernails having the balls or brains to do either,

dude they allowed ppp back into power, granted them nro, allowed the disastrous 18th amendment to happen. they lack the capacity to think beyond today. simple. faujis cannot be political/national leaders.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Why going to saudi and turkey? I will give you a better option a local one. gave full power to an army officer who belongs to FATA and understand their culture with the sole purpose to bring a complete peace there. he will do it very easily. and there are many officers from FATA.. afridi, wazir etc whose roots are from FATA

We meant for training officers, not to launch operations for us.

Someone can correct me here if I'm wrong but operations that happen in these areas usually have local officers especially when the jirga and Taliban negotiate.

I've seen a lot of local videos where the officer leading can speak Pashto, like there was General Tariq Khan. Usually they are Khattak or Afridi, etc.

 

[Watandar]

I thing Irfan Baloch has a point. While Turks have a wealth of experience in successfully dealing with terrorist groups by using the least technology, I think, getting Saudis actively onboard in this fight against TTP has a different value.

It's a fact that any military operation within the country causes serious grievances among domestic population. Indian slumdogs and now Zionist war criminals have already been exposed for exploiting the feelings of our own grieved people and also buying the cheap Afghans for waging a terrorism war against a 'kafir' Pak military. Merely the use of force creates more grievances and so more fertile areas for the enemy to recruit even more youth for terrorism.

While eliminating the TTP terrorists must be the goal but minimizing the number of those who can fall prey to terrorism recruiters is an equally important goal. This vicious cycle can only be broken by an effective counter narrative. That's where maybe a token but very visible Saudi involvement in fighting against the TTP terrorists will be useful.

Saudis are not coming to Pakistan to fight against terrorists or even in an advisory capacity. What world are you living in ? Saudis are only good for ordering from a menu at a restaurant.

As far as Turkey goes, the improving Turkish economy and country development and political reforms has more to do with solving the Kurdish issue than Turkish military. The Turk military is a bloated mess just like Pakistan's.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

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[El Sidd]

dude they allowed ppp back into power, granted them nro, allowed the disastrous 18th amendment to happen. they lack the capacity to think beyond today. simple. faujis cannot be political/national leaders.

Long term solution to the troublesome territory is consuming Afghanistan or parts of it under the Federation. The annexation of erstwhile FATA into KPK was a short sighted narrow minded approach by populist government.

There's no military solution to the geographical question of Afghanistan.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Long term solution to the troublesome territory is consuming Afghanistan or parts of it under the Federation. The annexation of erstwhile FATA into KPK was a short sighted narrow minded approach by populist government.

There's no military solution to the geographical question of Afghanistan.

That would simply import a much larger problem. You'd basically have a much larger, more populated, troublesome version of FATA with a larger Taliban.

Basically Balochistan 2.0 which evidently already struggling to get much done

 

[El Sidd]

That would simply import a much larger problem. You'd basically have a much larger, more populated, troublesome version of FATA with a larger Taliban.

Basically Balochistan 2.0 which evidently already struggling to get much done

Pakistan has all the elements that can enable such integration both eastwards and westward. Provincialism is already leaning towards it with provincial territories warping themselves into some ethnographic contexts.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Pakistan has all the elements that can enable such integration both eastwards and westward. Provincialism is already leaning towards it with provincial territories warping themselves into some ethnographic contexts.

Are you suggesting all provinces become de-facto independent territories? I see little reason for a "Pakistan" to exist in such a scenario it would serve little practical purpose or reason. I doubt any province would be able to agree on much.

 

[Baadil]

That's up to Pakistan’s establishment and policy makers to decide and brainstorm about.

But so far given the signals in the public it does seem they've had enough with their fair share of promoting religious extremism as a form of identity, and seem to be instead emphasising more democratic federalism and "inclusivity" in a multi-ethnic state. Unsure how this will fare.

@PakAl

Elected govt doesn’t get a free pass: COAS | The Express Tribune

Gen Asim says a party opted to get out of system

tribune.com.pk

[Asim Munir] reminded the youth about the reasons behind the creation of Pakistan.
“If we want to adopt Western civilization, then why did we get rid of Hindu civilization?” he questioned while urging the country’s youth not to blindly follow the West.

We should consider how Pakistan defines religious extremism compared with our own notions, and we should evaluate how our views were shaped. The ultimate criteria for extremism will be found in Islam, based upon objective principles. How do you define extremism and what is your evidence for it based in objective principles? How does your claim to have a view grounded in practical realities translate to defining what religious extremism is?

When advocating against a specific ideology, one should rationally propose an alternative that can be scrutinised.