Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Terrorism Watch

[Rational Philosopher]

Nah man thats not true.

We as nation are too **** to see the military doing its job.

Let suppose the military goes hard agains these mfs, what do you think will happen? You've got practically all of your academia/intellectuals with left leaning views, who will justify TTPs existence and their actions.

The military should do to them, what it did to PTI. Simply uproot all opposition if you plan to be a serious state.

Declare a war against all the mullahs, BYC, PTM, and all the support networks. Get laws in that support you and sweep them all together as part of your counter terrorism campaign.

A serious country would have done this back in 2014 when operations started.

If you look at the foundation of all powerful modern states, they went through huge unstable but refoemist periods like this, some even as far as civil wars. Take Turkey for example.

 

[White Privilege]

Use drones and gunships times ten. Our men must not be put in unnecessary danger......

 

[RealNapster]

People of Pakistan are also not serious in resolving their issues. Somehow they have this thought that military will 'save' them. Well then operation it is.....

If 1 in every 250 person of a 250 million nation is part of military, you would expect them to resolve security related issues for you. I means it's the job.

 

[RealNapster]

The fact these jirgas exist in the first place shows that we are not a serious country.

Shahbaz as PM wasn't enough for this realization ?

 

[RealNapster]

Pakistan is a confused purposeless country with no direction run by feudal families and the knee-jerk military general trying to bring stability but without any real long-term purpose/vision. Hence it always ends up with a bigger problem down the line to deal with.

It seriously needs to introspect what the foundation or purpose of its existence is. Defending yourself against India isn't really a purpose while it's important.

This is a major reason that it's so unserious about countering terrorism and extremely divided, with policies continously shifting at the state level. Sometimes it has a Islamist extremist gimmick, sometimes liberal inclusivity gimmick, all fail.

I wish it was more like Turkey. Clearly defined direction. Aggressive in national security. Nationalist.

Pakistan is a hajoom,

 

[PakAl]

The fact these jirgas exist in the first place shows that we are not a serious country.

They live in a tribal society so have a jirga system which sorts out local matters, the same we have Panjaet system in the rest of Pakistan or under the table system (bribery). In some areas in India the Panchayat system is part of their government level system. If Pakistan had intelligent rulers they would use the Panjaet system to its advantage, maybe allow some judges to be part of it, aswell as local MPAs to sort out tribal disputes and other issues, power should be devolved to local levels. Even in the western countries you can sort out your disputes via approaching the rivals, unless ofcourse it's something very serious.

 

[Toxic]

Shahbaz as PM wasn't enough for this realization ?

I was referring to the fact that these jirgas are the antithesis of the modern nation state, A state has to have a complete monopoly on violence, the fact these jirgas exist and are recognized by the state means the state does not believe in its own authority, if the state can't enforce it's monopoly on violence through it's courts or other means of enforcement then it means it has failed as a state.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Once this operation is complete the locals will invite TTP into their homes again and there will be another operation in 5 years.

These people are weak. We need to move the Pakistani patriot expansionist Pakhtuns to this area so they can start taking chunks out of Afghanistan.

 

[RealNapster]

Once this operation is complete the locals will invite TTP into their homes again and there will be another operation in 5 years.

Yes while state and it's institutes will be sleeping again and do nothing. Maybe the operations every 5 years somehow give them legitimacy or reason for existence ? Maybe.

 

[PakAl]

Pakistan is a confused purposeless country with no direction run by feudal families and the knee-jerk military general trying to bring stability but without any real long-term purpose/vision. Hence it always ends up with a bigger problem down the line to deal with.

It seriously needs to introspect what the foundation or purpose of its existence is. Defending yourself against India isn't really a purpose while it's important.

This is a major reason that it's so unserious about countering terrorism and extremely divided, with policies continously shifting at the state level. Sometimes it has a Islamist extremist gimmick, sometimes liberal inclusivity gimmick, all fail.

I wish it was more like Turkey. Clearly defined direction. Aggressive in national security. Nationalist.

Pakistan started with Islamic Ideology to create Pakistan but majority of the people were still secular, and not very religious, our governments also didn't bother to educate people on Pakistan, its ideology, history, the founding fathers etc, then Bangladesh happened which was done by secular nationalists and not mullahs, soon after Afghanistan war started and Pakistani leadership went all mujahdeen, they replaced secularist power with mullahs, who later on turned to extremism and terrorism. So back to square one. Our rulers are still secular but believe me powerful clean shaven people still consider Taliban as mujahdeens.

When you visit Istanbul you will clearly see what Turkey is about, even their Masjids show you the Turkish history, with museums inside the masjids, they also have a beautiful historical Islamic history and they're not shy about it. Whilst Pakistan is all about political parties trying to topple each other, fake cases, and 5 years go pass, meanwhile our religious identity is hijacked by foreign ideologies pumped by petrodollars, in Turkey a normal person on the street knows Turkey history, the inventions etc.

 

[White Privilege]

@Panzerkiel may shed light on if gunships, drones and helibourne assault troops are used this time much more or if it is just like previous operations

 

[PakAl]

Once this operation is complete the locals will invite TTP into their homes again and there will be another operation in 5 years.

These people are weak. We need to move the Pakistani patriot expansionist Pakhtuns to this area so they can start taking chunks out of Afghanistan.

Not sure exactly how the militants make a comeback, if it's 500 militants living amongs 1M population, now that is hard to track, even the locals will not know that they are involved in terrorist activities, plus people these days collaborate if given money.

 

[RajaBaja]

After the 8 days of negotiations between the tribal elders and the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), and the involvement of the provincial government, the final result is what should have happened to begin with - kinetic military operation.

From 11 am today (Monday), a curfew will be imposed in 27 areas of Bajaur and Mohmand Agencies. The challenge for the Pakistani security forces will the potential infiltration of additional TTP fighter from Kunar and Nangarhar provinces in Afghanistan, where the number of TTP fighters and camps could be leveraged.

The TTP has also proven to be deadly, whether to civilians or security forces, with drone technology, which is used to drop mortars on various locations.

The people of Bajaur and Mohmand have been asked to do the following:

1 - leave the area for the next 2-3 days
2 - if you cannot leave the area, shelter in place and keep your movement outside the home to a bare minimum

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A small portion of our population thinks there is no one else in the country but them. This culture is so far from reality that it's sad.

I wanted this operation started even years ago. But the issue is, the same people in these agencies, in millions, connected to KPK (millions more) and the Jargas that represent them, would start to scream "human rights violations" like we've seen some others do after legitimate capture post criminal activity.

Pakistan is at a stage from an economic standpoint, it can't afford any propaganda campaigns like this, that paints it bad. So the military showed restraint despite losing officers and ensured that they go to the last level of patience before an operation can be started. At this point, there are no reservations from any side.

Months were given to talks and straight 8 days since the last week. Now, gloves off! Locals know that TTP didn't respect the Pakistani law and our conditions and that there is no escape zone left. Whoever sides with them, is against the State of Pakistan.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Pakistan started with Islamic Ideology to create Pakistan but majority of the people were still secular, and not very religious, our governments also didn't bother to educate people on Pakistan, its ideology, history, the founding fathers etc, then Bangladesh happened which was done by secular nationalists and not mullahs, soon after Afghanistan war started and Pakistani leadership went all mujahdeen, they replaced secularist power with mullahs, who later on turned to extremism and terrorism. So back to square one. Our rulers are still secular but believe me powerful clean shaven people still consider Taliban as mujahdeens.

When you visit Istanbul you will clearly see what Turkey is about, even their Masjids show you the Turkish history, with museums inside the masjids, they also have a beautiful historical Islamic history and they're not shy about it. Whilst Pakistan is all about political parties trying to topple each other, fake cases, and 5 years go pass, meanwhile our religious identity is hijacked by foreign ideologies pumped by petrodollars, in Turkey a normal person on the street knows Turkey history, the inventions etc.

Pakistanis are a confused people. On top of that highly radicalised with a mix of illogical wahabbis, ikhwanism, bralveism. Even the Pakistani ideology is quite hollow beyond surface level.

This confusion about the country's existence or purpose creates lethargy in all its institutions, especially military and the policies.

I think without a clearly defined meaningful foundation or identity that makes sense you can't move forward, it will be a cycle of instability and radical shifts from liberal grifting, to extremism, to feudalism, etc.

Pan-Islamist ideals are the antithesis of independent states. Because the entire point of pan-Islamism is to reduce your own identity to unimportant or meaningless and create an imaginary connective brotherhood identity with others — even those who evidently don't want such a thing and have a strong assabiyah based identity of their own.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Yes while state and it's institutes will be sleeping again and do nothing. Maybe the operations every 5 years somehow give them legitimacy or reason for existence ? Maybe.

Not everything is a conspiracy. This area has been a mess for decades.