The most funny thing about entire vivek episode is this :
In his tough love to America, Vivek has not even said a single word about H1B. It was one of those "Asian tiger dad" kind of tweet. "Why you dont have time for math and science if you have time for this stupid show?", "Why being a doctor is not important than sleeping over at choi's place?" so on...
He has always maintained a negative opinion on H1B.
‘DOGE’ revamp empowers Musk as frictions spur Ramaswamy’s exit
A deep philosophical rift between the two billionaire leaders of the “Department of Government Efficiency” left Musk to run the group.
President Donald Trump’s order establishing the “Department of Government Efficiency” aims to give billionaire Elon Musk’s team sweeping access to operations at federal agencies, revamping its structure after competing visions left one of its leaders seeking an exit.
The new structure — which has DOGE taking over the U.S. Digital Service, part of the Executive Office of the President — emerged after months of behind-the-scenes maneuvering between Musk and fellow billionaire entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, the DOGE co-leader who will depart to run for governor of Ohio. Deep philosophical differences over how the panel should operate helped spur Ramaswamy to leave, according to more than a half-dozen people with knowledge of the situation, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe private conversations.
The revamped project spurred speculation that Trump and Musk had reduced their lofty ambitions for DOGE, which initially promised to comb through the whole federal bureaucracy searching for deep cuts. But some of the people said DOGE is still poised to exert crucial influence in the new administration, in part because it could grant Musk far greater insight and control over federal operations from within the White House. Some Trump allies have even grown concerned about the extent of privileged government information that Musk could have access to under the new arrangement.
The DOGE co-leaders laid out their original vision in a joint November op-ed in the Wall Street Journal, written by Ramaswamy, that specified “three major kinds of reform: regulatory rescissions, administrative reductions and cost savings.” The piece was a road map to using the courts and policy measures to dismantle the administrative state. By contrast, the executive order announced Monday embodied Musk’s vision, focused heavily on technology and an effort to change the government from within that was at the heart of the philosophical rift between them. Trump’s Day 1 actions Monday did not include executive orders that had been drafted by Ramaswamy’s team within DOGE.
Musk and a representative for Ramaswamy did not immediately respond to a request for comment; nor did a DOGE official.
In his new role, Musk appears to have vast access to the inner workings of government that far exceeds the plan as initially conceived. The DOGE leader, also the chief executive of one company that has won billions of dollars in federal contracts and others that have faced significant federal scrutiny, will be able to deploy a team of handpicked software engineers to every government agency, where under Trump’s executive order they will be granted “full and prompt access to all unclassified agency records, software systems, and IT systems.” (Musk already has a White House email address, according to Bloomberg News.) Armed with sensitive data, Musk could draw on expertise gathered from his business empire — including deploying artificial intelligence — to achieve his aims, people familiar with the matter said.
Musk has suggested the DOGE effort is necessary to rein in the U.S. government, which he has characterized as essential for bringing human civilization to another planet through space exploration. That’s also the goal he has set for SpaceX, the rocket-building company he leads.
“We’re going to take DOGE to Mars,” Musk said during an Inauguration Day speech on Monday. “I mean, can you imagine how awesome it will be to have American astronauts plant the flag on another planet for the first time?”
Turning the U.S. Digital Service into DOGE’s base aligns with Musk’s goals: The White House office, created under President Barack Obama specifically to be nimble after tech failures crashed the website for the launch of the Affordable Care Act’s health exchanges, is not subject to the typical cumbersome rules for hiring across the federal government, and it’s also exempt from the federal hiring freeze Trump announced Monday, said Jennifer Pahlka, who founded the Digital Service in 2014. Trump’s order renamed the office the U.S. DOGE Service.
“It’s a very convenient vehicle for them,” Pahlka said. “If you were trying to do something ambitious across the government, USDS is a good place to do it from.”
But the developments also reflect a remarkable change in the working relationship between Ramaswamy and Musk, who had been feted just weeks ago by the conservative movement as among Trumpworld’s brightest stars. At MAGA celebrations throughout Washington over the weekend, supporters of the president quietly mused on the split between the two men who had seemed so aligned.
Though the DOGE leaders remain on good terms and were seen socializing together around the inauguration, their differences in approach had been apparent behind closed doors, said one of the people.
At first, Ramaswamy and Musk seemed to be operating in two distinct but mutually beneficial domains. Within days of their appointment, the executives arrived at an understanding: Musk would be pointed at technology and spending, Ramaswamy at regulations and the administrative state. Each communicated through their respective deputies: investor Brad Smith for Ramaswamy and Steve Davis, president of Musk’s tunneling firm the Boring Co., for Musk.
Ramaswamy’s team steered clear of any lanes that Musk had made clear in his frequent posts on X, the social media site he owns, were areas of focus for him, one of the people familiar with the operations said. With a rough division of labor established, the DOGE co-heads set their sights on making Washington more efficient. DOGE amassed enormous interest, receiving tens of thousands of applications after an online callout for candidates.
Tensions soon emerged, though, that paved the way for the eventual split.
The men shared a radical vision for shrinking the government, but their strategies for reaching it diverged and were ultimately incompatible.
Ramaswamy approached DOGE from a constitutional perspective, exploring which agencies could be shut down without requiring congressional action, taking aim at the budgeting process within different agencies and examining legal pathways to strip regulations. He had conceived of DOGE as a nongovernmental body, almost akin to a think tank, that would push for major changes that could be codified by law.
Musk wasn’t interested in those processes, preferring to do things from a “technology-first perspective,” using the power of technology and data-mining to achieve DOGE’s aims, one of the people familiar with the group said.
“These were competing visions,” the person said.
Musk became increasingly convinced that DOGE should operate as a small team within the government, where it could get access to highly sensitive information and avoid lawsuits attempting to force disclosure of its meetings and minutes — several of which were, indeed, filed immediately after Trump was sworn in Monday.
The teams each man led were also vastly different in structure and scope.
Musk scouted his business empire for talent and established SpaceX’s Washington offices as a command center, where dozens of people worked on DOGE initiatives. Musk has been drawing on business resources to achieve his new government-focused aims. In a 2:24 a.m. post Tuesday, for example, one of his trusted security engineering deputies at X and SpaceX wrote: “An insane first day in DC. Just now leaving work. More to come!”
Ramaswamy, meanwhile, maintained a sparse team of advisers and staff members who operated from his home state of Ohio, many of whom had worked on his 2024 GOP presidential campaign or at his personal office, largely reporting to him on an ad hoc basis without a set schedule. What Ramaswamy’s team lacked in resources, it attempted to overcome through operational know-how, gathering expertise on how to maneuver in support of its aims in Washington and a rigorous understanding of its legal and policy obstacles.
Ramaswamy’s team initially probed policy areas from the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau to a Supreme Court precedent known as the Chevron doctrine, examining the administrative state and how to pare it back.
That quiet, meticulous work soon brushed up against the power of Musk’s massive online megaphone.
“Go on Elon’s Twitter and search the word ‘spending,’ and see how many tweets you get in the last six months,” said James Fishback, a Ramaswamy confidant who is head of macro at Azoria, an investment firm. “Then search the words ‘Chevron doctrine.’ It’s very clear by what they’re both posting what their priorities are.”
Tensions were further exacerbated by a controversy that spilled into public view on X. Soon after Musk and Ramaswamy helped whittle down a government spending bill in December, Ramaswamy ignited a furor among some members of Trump’s coalition — including some of Musk’s followers — with a long post on meritocracy. Both Musk and Ramaswamy were involved in publicly defending a visa program for skilled workers, a position that rankled some Trump allies.
Ramaswamy received the lion’s share of Trump supporters’ ire over the issue, particularly after he posted, “Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long,” in a statement that was seen by some on the right as attacking everyday Americans. Stephen K. Bannon, Trump’s former chief strategist, and other influential officials in the MAGA sphere slammed Ramaswamy, with scores of social media accounts posting racist images about his Indian heritage.
There were also questions about whether Musk and Ramaswamy were really co-leaders. Within DOGE, Ramaswamy was Musk’s equal, but in name only.
Ramaswamy visited the SpaceX offices that hosted DOGE staff members on multiple occasions, but, unlike Musk, he didn’t have the power to direct their work.
“I don’t think Vivek would have signed up under any sense on paper he wouldn’t be co-lead,” said one person with knowledge of DOGE’s structure. “All the assurances were they were going to be coequal leaders.”
But that arrangement, the person said, was “probably doomed from the jump.”
Over time, Musk — with a singular focus on technology — lost interest in Ramaswamy’s contributions. Ramaswamy began to explore the idea of leaving DOGE early to launch his long-standing plan of running for governor of Ohio. Trump threw a curveball into the mix, with a sudden personal appeal for Ramaswamy to seek appointment to fill Vice President JD Vance’s Senate seat in Ohio, The Washington Post previously reported.
“They’ve been wanting Vivek to step aside so Elon could have more control,” one person briefed on the matter said. “There was tension, and then they had an out and kind of took the out.”
Once Trump decided to house DOGE within the government, Ramaswamy hastened his decision to leave, one of the people said: It would have been legally complicated for him to run for governor without departing because federal employees are barred from running in partisan elections.
Musk supported the decision, too, people said. The Tesla CEO was aware of Ramaswamy’s political ambitions and opposed to the idea that DOGE might be used as a campaign platform. He is expected to publicly support Ramaswamy’s candidacy. Still, Ramaswamy’s departure has had other effects: Draft executive orders favored by Musk were implemented, and those put forward by Ramaswamy’s team that Musk had ignored in recent weeks are unlikely to be issued, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Some longtime budget experts say it’s hard to interpret the revamped DOGE structure as anything but a recognition that the tech executives’ sprawling initial ambition crashed into the reality of Washington inertia.
“There’s no way it’s not a step down — the language includes an explicit statement that they are not to do OMB’s job, not to do budgetary things, and they had been talking about cutting trillions of dollars from the federal budget,” said Doug Holtz-Eakin, president of the American Action Forum, a center-right think-tank. “There’s no question this is at least on paper a real narrowing of their mandate. How it actually works out, I just don’t know.”
Others cautioned that DOGE’s responsibilities could still be substantial. Mina Hsiang, an engineer who was until recently the administrator at the Digital Service, said that revamping government technology systems can pave the way for changes to regulations, spending and other federal functions. Housing DOGE at the Digital Service could help give it a major imprint across dozens of federal agencies and potentially hundreds of programs.
“A lot of what we experience as government inefficiency comes from poorly designed and integrated tech systems and the policies that force them to be that way,” Hsiang said. “So there are tremendous opportunities here. It still has the potential to be a very real thing.”
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There is more to the story it seems. Ramaswamy and Elon were opposed to how "DOGE" should take shape. Ramaswamy wanted it to be an external Think Tank of sorts. Elon wanted it to be a govt service so he gets direct access to government information.
Both have their own fishes to fry. Ramaswamy has political ambitions and there are legal issues in being a federal employee and running in state governor election.
Issue was not purely of that tweet after all... It was that of interests at its core.
It's called working capital, no one's retiring off of this...unless if you live in the middle of Kansas, don't leave your house, get your groceries from the local food bank and don't have kids to put through college/university.
The original point was that Vivek in question had a networth of 2 million dollars by 2011 from his income tax returns filed by that time at an age of 25. Given he settled in Cincinnati, Ohio, it is very much possible he had enough money by 2011 to retire.
Besides, time value of 2 million dollars in 2011 will be 5.5 - 6 million dollars right now with very moderate risk investment..
The guy here is confused about simple concept of time value of money.
I do not know but a business man who has more retirement money by 25 than most people in USA will be called successful.
It was sarcasm to shut down the insults—seems like it did the job, don’t you think? Politics isn’t as simple as acing an engineering exam; it’s an uphill task requiring strategy and resilience. Indians, despite apparent short-term failures, seem to be playing the long game quite ok, don’t you think?
Originally, Donald Trump had two people in mind to lead the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), an advisory board he has proposed: Tesla/SpaceX CEO Elon Musk and MAGA businessman Vivek Ramaswamy, who ran in the 2024 GOP presidential primary but gave Trump an enthusiastic endorsement after dropping out of the race.
"Musk, the tech tycoon and Donald Trump confidant, made it known that he wanted Ramaswamy out of DOGE in recent days, according to three people familiar with Musk's preferences who, like others for this article, were granted anonymity to discuss them," Wren and Otterbein explain in an article published after Trump's return to the White House. "An ill-received holiday rant on X by Ramaswamy about H-1B visas apparently hastened his demise."
A GOP strategist told Politico that Ramaswamy "just burned through the bridges, and he finally burned Elon." The strategist added, "Everyone wants him out of Mar-a-Lago, out of D.C."
Cincinnati native Ramaswamy, according to Politico sources, now plans to run for governor of Ohio — a position presently held by conservative Republican Mike DeWine.
Wren and Otterbein report, "One main reason for some Republicans' frustration with Ramaswamy was a post he made on X during a discussion of H-1B visas. In late December, Ramaswamy criticized American culture, saying that tech companies hire foreign workers in part because of a mindset in the country that has 'venerated mediocrity over excellence.'"
In his tough love to America, Vivek has not even said a single word about H1B. It was one of those "Asian tiger dad" kind of tweet. "Why you dont have time for math and science if you have time for this stupid show?", "Why being a doctor is not important than sleeping over at choi's place?" so on...
He has always maintained a negative opinion on H1B.
You are more like poetry when it comes to Vivek, this is gushing
"Asian tiger dad"
"Tough love to America"
Who exactly pioneered what silicon valley is today from decades, that's right, mostly Americans with their crappy higher institutions
If you want people to compete with China, it's strange to defend the h1b as it is, in fact indefensible
Telling Americans to discard an aspect of their popular culture so they can glorify the tech bro is meant to go down well? No it just sounds like the former dork who now has more power in latter life, some are saying, not me ofcourse.
You are more like poetry when it comes to Vivek, this is gushing
"Asian tiger dad"
"Tough love to America"
Who exactly pioneered what silicon valley is today from decades, that's right, mostly Americans with their crappy higher institutions
If you want people to compete with China, it's strange to defend the h1b as it is, in fact indefensible
Telling Americans to discard an aspect of their popular culture so they can glorify the tech bro is meant to go down well? No it just sounds like the former dork who now has more power in latter life, some are saying, not me ofcourse.
My Dear silent Indian followers, perhaps in the thousands?
Anyway....understand the anglo-saxon, judeo-christian fascist minds. They do not want the best for humanity. They only want the best for themselves no matter the death and destruction caused elsewhere. No other race is as blood thirsty.
They are not like us. Do not try to earn their favour. Best to adhere to your own principles. Remember, you lived in relative tranquility when the Muslims ruled over you for centuries.
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